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	<title>Comments on: Questions to ask the wingnuts screeching &#8220;Ayers! Ayers!&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: meatbrain</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/10/06/questions-to-ask-the-wingnuts-screeching-ayers-ayers/#comment-25453</link>
		<dc:creator>meatbrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 01:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will await PW’s complete list of the “baseless accusations” I made prior to its own remark, listed chronologically and verbatim.

It can't produce that list, of course. It has chosen to resort to a non sequitur in a vain attempt to conceal its failure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will await PW’s complete list of the “baseless accusations” I made prior to its own remark, listed chronologically and verbatim.</p>
<p>It can&#8217;t produce that list, of course. It has chosen to resort to a non sequitur in a vain attempt to conceal its failure.</p>
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		<title>By: Protest Warrior</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/10/06/questions-to-ask-the-wingnuts-screeching-ayers-ayers/#comment-25452</link>
		<dc:creator>Protest Warrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 01:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Squawk</description>
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		<title>By: meatbrain</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/10/06/questions-to-ask-the-wingnuts-screeching-ayers-ayers/#comment-25449</link>
		<dc:creator>meatbrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PW referred to the putative association between Obama and Ayers &lt;a href="#comment-25429"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;:

bq. In the meantime you support a socialist who associates himself with someone who has openly said that he didn’t do enough to attack the roots of democracy in this country and advocates hating America?

That's the usage of the Ayers meme to which I referred. (Perhaps PW is unclear on the difference between a "meme":http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme and a "quotation":http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quotation.)

I will await PW’s complete list of the “baseless accusations” I made prior to its own remark, listed chronologically and verbatim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PW referred to the putative association between Obama and Ayers <a href="#comment-25429">here</a>:</p>
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<p>In the meantime you support a socialist who associates himself with someone who has openly said that he didn’t do enough to attack the roots of democracy in this country and advocates hating America?</p>
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<p>That&#8217;s the usage of the Ayers meme to which I referred. (Perhaps PW is unclear on the difference between a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme">meme</a> and a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quotation">quotation</a>.)</p>
<p>I will await PW’s complete list of the “baseless accusations” I made prior to its own remark, listed chronologically and verbatim.</p>
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		<title>By: Protest Warrior</title>
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		<dc:creator>Protest Warrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sqwauk

Does Polly want a cracker?

You can not produce an answer. If you can not then neither will I</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sqwauk</p>
<p>Does Polly want a cracker?</p>
<p>You can not produce an answer. If you can not then neither will I</p>
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		<title>By: meatbrain</title>
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		<dc:creator>meatbrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PW said the following at 5:50 PM EDT, 10/10/08:

bq. I would expect an apology, but none will be forthcoming from you for your baseless accusations...

Note that this was bef&lt;i&gt;&lt;/i&gt;ore I said anything about its repetition of the Ayers meme. Therefore, it must have been referring to some "baseless accusations" I'd made __earlier__ than its remark regarding an apology for same.

I will await PW's complete list of the "baseless accusations" I made prior to its own remark, listed chronologically and verbatim. 

And as PW has just made clear, it cannot produce that list. Perhaps it should tend to the beam in its own eye before screeching about the mote in someone else's.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PW said the following at 5:50 PM EDT, 10/10/08:</p>
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<p>I would expect an apology, but none will be forthcoming from you for your baseless accusations&#8230;</p>
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<p>Note that this was bef<i></i>ore I said anything about its repetition of the Ayers meme. Therefore, it must have been referring to some &#8220;baseless accusations&#8221; I&#8217;d made <i>earlier</i> than its remark regarding an apology for same.</p>
<p>I will await PW&#8217;s complete list of the &#8220;baseless accusations&#8221; I made prior to its own remark, listed chronologically and verbatim. </p>
<p>And as PW has just made clear, it cannot produce that list. Perhaps it should tend to the beam in its own eye before screeching about the mote in someone else&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Protest Warrior</title>
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		<dc:creator>Protest Warrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Avoid the question Meathead

Liberal playbook, page 39 paragraph 1

Whatever, I have proven you wrong, that is all that counts</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Avoid the question Meathead</p>
<p>Liberal playbook, page 39 paragraph 1</p>
<p>Whatever, I have proven you wrong, that is all that counts</p>
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		<title>By: meatbrain</title>
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		<dc:creator>meatbrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PW said the following at 5:50 PM EDT, 10/10/08:

bq. I would expect an apology, but none will be forthcoming from you for your baseless accusations...

Note that this was before I said anything about its repetition of the Ayers meme. Therefore, it must have been referring to some "baseless accusations" I'd made __earlier__ than its remark regarding an apology for same.

I will await PW's complete list of the "baseless accusations" I made prior to its own remark, listed chronologically and verbatim. 

And as PW has just made clear, it cannot produce that list. Perhaps it should tend to the beam in its own eye before screeching about the mote in someone else's.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PW said the following at 5:50 PM EDT, 10/10/08:</p>
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<p>I would expect an apology, but none will be forthcoming from you for your baseless accusations&#8230;</p>
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<p>Note that this was before I said anything about its repetition of the Ayers meme. Therefore, it must have been referring to some &#8220;baseless accusations&#8221; I&#8217;d made <i>earlier</i> than its remark regarding an apology for same.</p>
<p>I will await PW&#8217;s complete list of the &#8220;baseless accusations&#8221; I made prior to its own remark, listed chronologically and verbatim. </p>
<p>And as PW has just made clear, it cannot produce that list. Perhaps it should tend to the beam in its own eye before screeching about the mote in someone else&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Protest Warrior</title>
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		<dc:creator>Protest Warrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I asked you a question meathead, show me where I have

"Given that PW is mindlessly repeating the same AYERS! AYERS! AYERS! meme as every other wingnut, the hilarity of its claim that it is expressing its own opinion cannot be overstated."

Show me</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I asked you a question meathead, show me where I have</p>
<p>&#8220;Given that PW is mindlessly repeating the same AYERS! AYERS! AYERS! meme as every other wingnut, the hilarity of its claim that it is expressing its own opinion cannot be overstated.&#8221;</p>
<p>Show me</p>
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		<title>By: meatbrain</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/10/06/questions-to-ask-the-wingnuts-screeching-ayers-ayers/#comment-25441</link>
		<dc:creator>meatbrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PW said the following at 5:50 PM EDT, 10/10/08:

bq. I would expect an apology, but none will be forthcoming from you for your baseless accusations...

Note that this was before I said anything about its repetition of the Ayers meme. Therefore, it must have been referring to some "baseless accusations" I'd made __earlier__ than its remark regarding an apology for same.

I will await PW's complete list of the "baseless accusations" I made prior to its own remark, listed chronologically and verbatim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PW said the following at 5:50 PM EDT, 10/10/08:</p>
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<p>I would expect an apology, but none will be forthcoming from you for your baseless accusations&#8230;</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Note that this was before I said anything about its repetition of the Ayers meme. Therefore, it must have been referring to some &#8220;baseless accusations&#8221; I&#8217;d made <i>earlier</i> than its remark regarding an apology for same.</p>
<p>I will await PW&#8217;s complete list of the &#8220;baseless accusations&#8221; I made prior to its own remark, listed chronologically and verbatim.</p>
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		<title>By: Protest Warrior</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/10/06/questions-to-ask-the-wingnuts-screeching-ayers-ayers/#comment-25440</link>
		<dc:creator>Protest Warrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is your baseless accusation, at least the latest in a long string:

"Given that PW is mindlessly repeating the same AYERS! AYERS! AYERS! meme as every other wingnut, the hilarity of its claim that it is expressing its own opinion cannot be overstated."

Now, you show me where I have done that</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is your baseless accusation, at least the latest in a long string:</p>
<p>&#8220;Given that PW is mindlessly repeating the same AYERS! AYERS! AYERS! meme as every other wingnut, the hilarity of its claim that it is expressing its own opinion cannot be overstated.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now, you show me where I have done that</p>
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		<title>By: meatbrain</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/10/06/questions-to-ask-the-wingnuts-screeching-ayers-ayers/#comment-25438</link>
		<dc:creator>meatbrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And it seems that PW cannot supply the definitive list of my "baseless accusations".

The careful reader will note that PW has __still__ given me no need to look for my smelling salts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And it seems that PW cannot supply the definitive list of my &#8220;baseless accusations&#8221;.</p>
<p>The careful reader will note that PW has <i>still</i> given me no need to look for my smelling salts.</p>
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		<title>By: Protest Warrior</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/10/06/questions-to-ask-the-wingnuts-screeching-ayers-ayers/#comment-25437</link>
		<dc:creator>Protest Warrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sorry, when I have I said Ayers Ayers Ayers? You are the one screaming that, not me</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sorry, when I have I said Ayers Ayers Ayers? You are the one screaming that, not me</p>
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		<title>By: meatbrain</title>
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		<dc:creator>meatbrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bq. I would expect an apology, but none will be forthcoming from you for your baseless accusations...

Which baseless accusations would those be? I am certain that PW, with its devotion to factual accuracy, will be overjoyed to quote those accusations verbatim.

bq. ...I do my homework and have my own opinion...

Given that PW is mindlessly repeating the same AYERS! AYERS! AYERS! meme as every other wingnut, the hilarity of its claim that it is expressing its own opinion cannot be overstated.

The careful reader will note that PW has given me no need to look for my smelling salts.</description>
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<p>I would expect an apology, but none will be forthcoming from you for your baseless accusations&#8230;</p>
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<p>Which baseless accusations would those be? I am certain that PW, with its devotion to factual accuracy, will be overjoyed to quote those accusations verbatim.</p>
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<p>...I do my homework and have my own opinion&#8230;</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Given that PW is mindlessly repeating the same AYERS! AYERS! AYERS! meme as every other wingnut, the hilarity of its claim that it is expressing its own opinion cannot be overstated.</p>
<p>The careful reader will note that PW has given me no need to look for my smelling salts.</p>
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		<title>By: Protest Warrior</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/10/06/questions-to-ask-the-wingnuts-screeching-ayers-ayers/#comment-25435</link>
		<dc:creator>Protest Warrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And in case you need to read about the apology given to McCain:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/24/AR2005052401253.html

"Twenty years ago McCain accepted apologies from an activist named David Ifshin when they met at a Washington forum. They formed a friendship. Ifshin, who had gone to Hanoi in 1970 and made an antiwar radio broadcast that was piped into McCain's prison, later became a close friend of and campaign counsel to President Bill Clinton.

When Ifshin died of cancer in 1996, McCain delivered a eulogy at the funeral, saying of Ifshin, "He always felt passionate about his country. He always tried to do justice to others. . . . I learned about courage from David, learned to look for virtue and I learned the futility of looking back in anger.""</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And in case you need to read about the apology given to McCain:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/24/AR2005052401253.html" >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/24/AR2005052401253.html</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Twenty years ago McCain accepted apologies from an activist named David Ifshin when they met at a Washington forum. They formed a friendship. Ifshin, who had gone to Hanoi in 1970 and made an antiwar radio broadcast that was piped into McCain&#8217;s prison, later became a close friend of and campaign counsel to President Bill Clinton.</p>
<p>When Ifshin died of cancer in 1996, McCain delivered a eulogy at the funeral, saying of Ifshin, &#8220;He always felt passionate about his country. He always tried to do justice to others. . . . I learned about courage from David, learned to look for virtue and I learned the futility of looking back in anger.&#8221;&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: Protest Warrior</title>
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		<dc:creator>Protest Warrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, btw, I will give you the information so you don't have to hurt yourself looking something up for a change

This comes directly from the Huffington Post:

"As recently as two years ago, speaking at Columbia College, McCain affectionately and warmly recalled his relationship with Ifshin saying:

    "We worked together in an organization dedicated to promoting human rights in the country where he and I had once come for different reasons. I came to admire him for his generosity, his passion for his ideals, for the largeness of his heart, and I realized he had not been my enemy, but my countryman . . . my countryman ...and later my friend. His friendship honored me. We disagreed over much. Our politics were often opposed, and we argued those disagreements. But we worked together for our shared ideals.""

And here is the link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marc-cooper/mccains-own-60s-radical-p_b_132032.html

I would expect an apology, but none will be forthcoming from you for your baseless accusations, see, I do my homework and have my own opinion, you let your far left socialist buddies do your thinking for you and you become a parrot of the far left.

Your a good parrot, Polly want a cracker?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, btw, I will give you the information so you don&#8217;t have to hurt yourself looking something up for a change</p>
<p>This comes directly from the Huffington Post:</p>
<p>&#8220;As recently as two years ago, speaking at Columbia College, McCain affectionately and warmly recalled his relationship with Ifshin saying:</p>
<p>    &#8220;We worked together in an organization dedicated to promoting human rights in the country where he and I had once come for different reasons. I came to admire him for his generosity, his passion for his ideals, for the largeness of his heart, and I realized he had not been my enemy, but my countryman . . . my countryman &#8230;and later my friend. His friendship honored me. We disagreed over much. Our politics were often opposed, and we argued those disagreements. But we worked together for our shared ideals.&#8221;&#8221;</p>
<p>And here is the link: <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marc-cooper/mccains-own-60s-radical-p_b_132032.html" >http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marc-cooper/mccains-own-60s-radical-p_b_132032.html</a></p>
<p>I would expect an apology, but none will be forthcoming from you for your baseless accusations, see, I do my homework and have my own opinion, you let your far left socialist buddies do your thinking for you and you become a parrot of the far left.</p>
<p>Your a good parrot, Polly want a cracker?</p>
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