Questions to ask the wingnuts screeching “Ayers! Ayers!”

Imagine if Barack or Michelle were members of a group like the Alaskan INDEPENDENCE Party. they’d be run out of Washington.

The Palins, on the other hand, are celebrated (along with teen pregnancy) by wingnuts.

White Privilege – Republicans still don’t see it

Ifshin is dead; he died 4 years ago. How a dead guy is a ‘substantive issue’ is beyond me, LOL…

There are a lot of things that are questionable about McCain…just go over to Vietnam Vets against McCain for a closer look with videos; I’ve always bitched about him…but he’s still better than Obama, who fought producing a real birth certificate in court against Berg’s lawsuit in Pennsylvania, and a CAIR lawyer pops up to represent Obama….

Of course, you’re too dumb to realize the implications of all that.

Comparing a dead guy to Ayers; an unrepetent terrorist who said ‘he didn’t do enough’ when asked about bombing the Pentagon is pretty ridiculous, LOL

It must be a slow news day for you when you’re compelled to recycle a Kossack headline, huh?

By the way, you’re wrong about Palin being a member of the Alaskan Independence Party. Even Annenberg’s Factcheck.org debunked that.

Recycling propaganda is about all you’ve got over here, isn’t it?

She was never a member of the Alaskan Independence Party, a group that wants Alaskans to vote on whether they wish to secede from the United States. She’s been registered as a Republican since May 1982.

I have not, of course, claimed that Ifshin is a substantive issue. Cao has simply proved that it does not know what the substantive issues are.

Nor did I compare Ifshin to Ayers. I simply asked who he was, and who befriended him.

Nor did I claim that Sarah Palin was a member of the Alaskan Independence party. Cao once again proves that it is simply too dense to comprehend what it reads.

Note also that Cao refuses to answer any of the questions I have posed. It’s afraid of actual discussion; it prefers smears and evasion.

I’d be interested to know which Daily Kos headline I have supposedly recycled.

It is also funny that there is a commercial about Obama serving with Ayers on a ‘left wing board’. That board was in charge of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. It was founded by Walter Annenberg. Annenberg was very much alive and still an active philanthropist when the Chicago Annenberg Challenge was created. He died in 2002. The circles in which Annenberg was active are pretty interesting. A question you could add to your list is:

Who was Walter Annenberg and who were his friends?

also:

Who else served on the board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge with Ayers and what where THEIR political affiliations?

Though that may confuse people about what exactly made that board a ‘left wing board’.

From the Daily Orange 2-19-08:

“Today, exactly 38 years later, Syracuse University graduate David Ifshin, the man who organized this student strike – which triggered a significant halt in the university’s functioning – is being honored as “the voice of the right to protest” as a part of the S.I Newhouse Year of the First Amendment. “This guy had an incredible life,” said Larry Elin, a television, radio and film professor and organizer of the event. “You could not make it up, couldn’t write a movie with this character in it. You would never think of it.” Ifshin was described by those who knew him as an independent thinker, unpredictable and passionate. He acted as an anti-war leader as a student at the SU campus, became famous as a national traitor after a defamatory speech broadcast from Hanoi, North Korea, served as a chief adviser in Bill Clinton’s 1992 presidential campaign and spent a lifetime fighting for human rights around the world. He died on April 30, 1996 at only 47 years old. This man who “lived his convictions” left behind a legacy of protest, passion and determination that all began at Syracuse in 1969.”

How is a guy who “protested and spoke his mind” similar to a man who set off bombs in government buildings and encouraged young people to kill their parents “because that’s where it’s at”??? He sounds more like Tom Hayden. Also note that he was an advisor in the Clinton administration in 1992, which you seemed to miss. I don’t see the comparison at all here.

Correction… a campaign adviser to Clinton.

And another lying wingnut proves its cowardice. Notice that “Mom” (aka Judy Doucette) won’t touch the questions about candidates or governors. Gotta wonder why…

Notice that meatbrain, aka Terry the bad fiction writer doesn’t answer the question about the subject of his post! Have you always been this deceitful, or is it a new skill??? Usually people who point the finger in such an ugly, nasty way are guilty of what they shrill about. The things Ayers has said are public record… where’s the lies… on your blog Terry!

Was it the ‘First Dude’, the ‘shadow governor’ who was a member of AIP then? That’s very seditious of him.

Funny how quickly conservatives throw their beliefs under a bus as the circumstances require (like celebrating teen pregnancy after condemning it for years or using ‘socialized’ health care when they can’t afford private insurance).

I think the term is ‘situational ethics’ and that’s why the Republicans are getting creamed this year because everyone can see right thru them. Cao & Judy included.

More unintentional humor from Judy Doucette: If one doesn’t answer a question, one is guilty of being “deceitful” — unless one’s name is Judy Doucette.

And, of course, it can’t resist throwing in an utterly fact-free accusation that I have lied. It can’t actually cite any such lies, but like its fellow wingnuts, Judy believes that its assertions alone are all the proof that anyone could need.

She asked you a question meathead. The question was what is the comparison? In other words, other than the tip of your head, what is your point?

Run and hide from answering it though, you would rather throw around half-lies and deceit

PW is aware, as is Judy Docuette, that I made no comparison. I simply asked questions — questions that no wingnut posting here to date has had the courage to answer.

PW is welcome to cite the specific lies it claims I have promulgated.

It is evident from its past cowardice, however, that no such factual backing for PW’s accusations will be forthcoming.

Yep, you run and hide rather than answering the question. Pot calling the kettle black?

So answer the question, what is the comparison between Ayers and Ifshin?

Point it out and you may get what you are looking for.

We expect you to run and hide though, its your modus operandi

Every time you post you prove me right.

So answer the question, what is the comparison between Ayers and Ifshin?

As I said earlier, I made no comparison between Ifshin and Ayers. PW chooses to ignore facts that it does not like.

Every time you post you prove me right.

Once again, PW employs the well-known fallacy of proof by assertion. Fallacious arguments seem to be its only talent.

Whatever meathead

If you are advocating asking conservative about Ifshin when they talk about Ayers, you must be inferring that one equals the other, but they don’t as ArmyHoosierMom pointed out in her comment, one is a domestic protestor and the other is a domestic terrorist.

So…what is the inference you are making?

Whatever meathead

Truly, the eloquence displayed in the above remark is breathtaking. Where does PW go to learn such stunning command of the language?

If you are advocating asking conservative about Ifshin when they talk about Ayers, you must be inferring that one equals the other

This, of course, is the keen telepathic sense for which wingnuts are so famous. They know instantly what anyone is thinking. One wonders why they don’t simply state the arguments their opponents have made, without bothering to read what is actually written, and then answer those arguments.

Oh, wait… they do.

... but they don’t as ArmyHoosierMom pointed out in her comment, one is a domestic protestor and the other is a domestic terrorist.

Hmmmmmm. “Domestic protestor”. Is that all Ifshin was?

For that matter, were all of his protests “domestic”? Did he travel abroad? If so, where? What did he do while there?

So…what is the inference you are making?

Odd. Only a few sentences before, PW said it knew what I was inferring. Now it doesn’t. Perhaps PW should visit its physician. This might be a sign of early-onset Alzheimer’s.

Avoid the question at hand and instead go for the personal attacks

Typical liberal socialist bullshit you are spouting

Your post and your rebuttals to it have no point, if you made your point you wouldn’t be getting the questions.

Like I said Meathead, you prove me right about liberals every time you post

Your post and your rebuttals to it have no point, if you made your point you wouldn’t be getting the questions.

Amazing. PW reveals the secret no one knew — if someone asks you a question, you have no point!

That means that each time I have asked a question of Cao, let us say, or of Justin Higgins, or Judy Doucette, I have automatically proven that they have not made any point.

I had no idea it was so easy. I thank PW sincerely for this amazing revelation.

Like I said Meathead, you prove me right about liberals every time you post

Truly, PW has no equal in his masterful use of the proof by assertion fallacy.

And again, you avoid answering the question, something you accuse your detractors of doing all the time.

Pot calling the kettle black

Of course Mom’s question wasn’t answered. It was based on the false premise that I had made a comparison. As I have already repeatedly explained, no comparison was made.

PW, of course, is doing its part by repeatedly demonstrating that it cannot comprehend this fact. Like any animal under stress, it has now begun chasing its own tail.

And you are demonstrating your inability to rationally and intelligently discuss the issues.

Your headline “Questions to ask the wingnuts screeching “Ayers! Ayers!””

And you go on to ask about David Ifshin.

The inference made by doing so is that you are somehow comparing one to the other and using Ifshin as a counter-argument to Ayers by placing him on the same plane ideologically with Ayers, which of course is ridiculous on the face because there is no comparison in terms of evilness and america hating.

Hoosier Army Mom pointed this out to you and you still bury your head in the sand about it.

So be it, you avoid any real discussion then accuse others of doing the same. Pot calling the kettle black.

Which is why you are viewed as a JOKE

BTW, you need to reference the huffington post entry that you took this information from.

The inference made by doing so is that you are somehow comparing one to the other and using Ifshin as a counter-argument to Ayers by placing him on the same plane ideologically with Ayers, which of course is ridiculous on the face because there is no comparison in terms of evilness and america hating.

The inference being made is being made solely by some of those who have read this post. I am not in any way obligated to share that inference. Nor am I obligated respond to any question based on someone else’s fantasy that they know what I intended to “infer”.

BTW, you need to reference the huffington post entry that you took this information from.

This, of course, is more of that keen telepathic sense I mentioned above. PW, it seems, knows exactly what I have been reading — an amazing feat, indeed. I wonder if it knows what card I am thinking of…

You would rather let your handlers at Code Pink do your thinking for you meathead, that is your major flaw, you do not think for yourself and spout the rhetoric of someone else then close your ears, sit on the floor, whine loudly and sing lalalalalalalalala

You are not obligated to share the inference, this is true, however, if you plan on throwing things out there, expect to be asked exactly what it is you are trying to say. Intelligent people do that, they explain when asked what their basis is.

Guess that just proves my point.

J O K E – thy name is meathead

I asked a set of questions.

None of the wingnuts have had the courage to answer those questions in full.

That is my point.

And I thank PW, Cao, and Judy “HoosierArmyMom” Doucette for their cooperation in helping me demonstrate their cowardice.

So what do you want, a point by point answering?

Then what?

You happily jump up and down that a candidate for higher office forgave someone who was truly repentant of hating America and openly said that he was wrong to hate this country?

In the meantime you support a socialist who associates himself with someone who has openly said that he didn’t do enough to attack the roots of democracy in this country and advocates hating America?

You are transparent on this issue meathead

So what do you want, a point by point answering?

Yes. That’s exactly what I want.

Then what?

Then I faint dead away from the shock of seeing a wingnut give honest answers to simple questions. I doubt I will need the smelling salts any time soon.

You happily jump up and down that a candidate for higher office forgave someone who was truly repentant of hating America and openly said that he was wrong to hate this country?

This is what a wingnut does when it knows that it cannot construct a rational argument. It invents something to attribute to its opponent, and argues against that. This is the straw man fallacy so beloved of the mouth-breathing far right.

The great thing about PW is that it has an infinite supply of these fallacies, and so any discussion with him is always an excellent opportunity to point out such errors.

Do your homework meathead

McCain has said as much

Your a head in the sand typical liberal following what your Code Pink and Moveon.org handlers are telling you to do

Oh, btw, I will give you the information so you don’t have to hurt yourself looking something up for a change

This comes directly from the Huffington Post:

“As recently as two years ago, speaking at Columbia College, McCain affectionately and warmly recalled his relationship with Ifshin saying:

“We worked together in an organization dedicated to promoting human rights in the country where he and I had once come for different reasons. I came to admire him for his generosity, his passion for his ideals, for the largeness of his heart, and I realized he had not been my enemy, but my countryman . . . my countryman …and later my friend. His friendship honored me. We disagreed over much. Our politics were often opposed, and we argued those disagreements. But we worked together for our shared ideals.””

And here is the link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marc-cooper/mccains-own-60s-radical-p_b_132032.html

I would expect an apology, but none will be forthcoming from you for your baseless accusations, see, I do my homework and have my own opinion, you let your far left socialist buddies do your thinking for you and you become a parrot of the far left.

Your a good parrot, Polly want a cracker?

And in case you need to read about the apology given to McCain:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/24/AR2005052401253.html

“Twenty years ago McCain accepted apologies from an activist named David Ifshin when they met at a Washington forum. They formed a friendship. Ifshin, who had gone to Hanoi in 1970 and made an antiwar radio broadcast that was piped into McCain’s prison, later became a close friend of and campaign counsel to President Bill Clinton.

When Ifshin died of cancer in 1996, McCain delivered a eulogy at the funeral, saying of Ifshin, “He always felt passionate about his country. He always tried to do justice to others. . . . I learned about courage from David, learned to look for virtue and I learned the futility of looking back in anger.””

I would expect an apology, but none will be forthcoming from you for your baseless accusations…

Which baseless accusations would those be? I am certain that PW, with its devotion to factual accuracy, will be overjoyed to quote those accusations verbatim.

...I do my homework and have my own opinion…

Given that PW is mindlessly repeating the same AYERS! AYERS! AYERS! meme as every other wingnut, the hilarity of its claim that it is expressing its own opinion cannot be overstated.

The careful reader will note that PW has given me no need to look for my smelling salts.

I am sorry, when I have I said Ayers Ayers Ayers? You are the one screaming that, not me

And it seems that PW cannot supply the definitive list of my “baseless accusations”.

The careful reader will note that PW has still given me no need to look for my smelling salts.

Here is your baseless accusation, at least the latest in a long string:

“Given that PW is mindlessly repeating the same AYERS! AYERS! AYERS! meme as every other wingnut, the hilarity of its claim that it is expressing its own opinion cannot be overstated.”

Now, you show me where I have done that

PW said the following at 5:50 PM EDT, 10/10/08:

I would expect an apology, but none will be forthcoming from you for your baseless accusations…

Note that this was before I said anything about its repetition of the Ayers meme. Therefore, it must have been referring to some “baseless accusations” I’d made earlier than its remark regarding an apology for same.

I will await PW’s complete list of the “baseless accusations” I made prior to its own remark, listed chronologically and verbatim.

I asked you a question meathead, show me where I have

“Given that PW is mindlessly repeating the same AYERS! AYERS! AYERS! meme as every other wingnut, the hilarity of its claim that it is expressing its own opinion cannot be overstated.”

Show me

PW said the following at 5:50 PM EDT, 10/10/08:

I would expect an apology, but none will be forthcoming from you for your baseless accusations…

Note that this was before I said anything about its repetition of the Ayers meme. Therefore, it must have been referring to some “baseless accusations” I’d made earlier than its remark regarding an apology for same.

I will await PW’s complete list of the “baseless accusations” I made prior to its own remark, listed chronologically and verbatim.

And as PW has just made clear, it cannot produce that list. Perhaps it should tend to the beam in its own eye before screeching about the mote in someone else’s.

Avoid the question Meathead

Liberal playbook, page 39 paragraph 1

Whatever, I have proven you wrong, that is all that counts

PW said the following at 5:50 PM EDT, 10/10/08:

I would expect an apology, but none will be forthcoming from you for your baseless accusations…

Note that this was before I said anything about its repetition of the Ayers meme. Therefore, it must have been referring to some “baseless accusations” I’d made earlier than its remark regarding an apology for same.

I will await PW’s complete list of the “baseless accusations” I made prior to its own remark, listed chronologically and verbatim.

And as PW has just made clear, it cannot produce that list. Perhaps it should tend to the beam in its own eye before screeching about the mote in someone else’s.

Sqwauk

Does Polly want a cracker?

You can not produce an answer. If you can not then neither will I

PW referred to the putative association between Obama and Ayers here:

In the meantime you support a socialist who associates himself with someone who has openly said that he didn’t do enough to attack the roots of democracy in this country and advocates hating America?

That’s the usage of the Ayers meme to which I referred. (Perhaps PW is unclear on the difference between a meme and a quotation.)

I will await PW’s complete list of the “baseless accusations” I made prior to its own remark, listed chronologically and verbatim.

Squawk

I will await PW’s complete list of the “baseless accusations” I made prior to its own remark, listed chronologically and verbatim.

It can’t produce that list, of course. It has chosen to resort to a non sequitur in a vain attempt to conceal its failure.