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		<title>By: billy Joe</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/08/05/why-laugh/#comment-23500</link>
		<dc:creator>billy Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 03:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cao's 'evidence' seldom - if ever - backs up her points.

As has been pointed out elsewhere, Obama's suggestion was in response to a question about how *individuals* can help increase energy efficiency.  And Obama is not the only person who has suggested it.  Others have done it as well, including NASCAR, and the US gov't:

http://www.nascar.com/2007/auto/cct/09/11/car.care.fuel/index.html
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/maintain.shtml

And from a more humorous angle:

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/08/06/mccain-deflates-his-own-tire-gauge-attack/

Will Cao respond with something that makes a shred of sense or will she now cut-and-run?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cao&#8217;s &#8216;evidence&#8217; seldom &#8211; if ever &#8211; backs up her points.</p>
<p>As has been pointed out elsewhere, Obama&#8217;s suggestion was in response to a question about how <strong>individuals</strong> can help increase energy efficiency.  And Obama is not the only person who has suggested it.  Others have done it as well, including NASCAR, and the US gov&#8217;t:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nascar.com/2007/auto/cct/09/11/car.care.fuel/index.html" >http://www.nascar.com/2007/auto/cct/09/11/car.care.fuel/index.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/maintain.shtml" >http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/maintain.shtml</a></p>
<p>And from a more humorous angle:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/08/06/mccain-deflates-his-own-tire-gauge-attack/" >http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/08/06/mccain-deflates-his-own-tire-gauge-attack/</a></p>
<p>Will Cao respond with something that makes a shred of sense or will she now cut-and-run?</p>
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		<title>By: socketplug</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/08/05/why-laugh/#comment-23478</link>
		<dc:creator>socketplug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 14:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cao is also misinformed regarding the &lt;a href="http://www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/automotive_news/4199963.html"&gt;Debunking a Mileage Myth&lt;/a&gt; source.  If you actually read the article you'll notice (hopefully) in the second paragraph the following
&lt;blockquote&gt;We’ve heard folks claim mileage gains by running their tire pressure above the manufacturer’s recommendations.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
but what is being proposed is not to &lt;b&gt;over inflate&lt;/b&gt; but to ensure that tires are not under inflated based on the manufacture's recommended psi.  The article Cao sourced is discussing how some people have taken the logic that inflating under inflated tires to the manufacture's specifications increases fuel efficiency so inflating tires above the manufacture's specifications should further increase fuel efficiency.  According to the article it does not.  But again this has nothing to do with taking under inflated tires and inflating them to the manufacture's recommends (which is what part of the debate is about and the Obama proposal).

The second link Cao provides has some wonky math, like comparing oil saved annually to the total estimated reserves of ANWR rather than annual output, but does reference &lt;a href="http://www.carcare.org/tires_wheels/inflation.shtml"&gt;a reasonable article from carcare.org&lt;/a&gt; which does confirm that keeping tires inflated to the manufactures specifications does increase fuel efficiency ("can also improve gas mileage by more than 3%").

So the first article has no bearing on the topic at hand and the second has some wonky math and even helps disprove Cao's first article!  I'm going to give Cao a wag of the finger and a read for comprehension.  A friend of mine often suggests that we have an intelligence test before people vote - fail and you can't vote.  I've argued against that position for a number of reasons but posts like Cao's make me think I might be wrong.  (Oh and my standard disclaimer: I'm sure Cao is a good, nice, wholesome person, just poor on analysis.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cao is also misinformed regarding the <a href="http://www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/automotive_news/4199963.html">Debunking a Mileage Myth</a> source.  If you actually read the article you&#8217;ll notice (hopefully) in the second paragraph the following</p>
<blockquote><p>We’ve heard folks claim mileage gains by running their tire pressure above the manufacturer’s recommendations.</p></blockquote>
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but what is being proposed is not to <b>over inflate</b> but to ensure that tires are not under inflated based on the manufacture&#8217;s recommended psi.  The article Cao sourced is discussing how some people have taken the logic that inflating under inflated tires to the manufacture&#8217;s specifications increases fuel efficiency so inflating tires above the manufacture&#8217;s specifications should further increase fuel efficiency.  According to the article it does not.  But again this has nothing to do with taking under inflated tires and inflating them to the manufacture&#8217;s recommends (which is what part of the debate is about and the Obama proposal).</p>
<p>The second link Cao provides has some wonky math, like comparing oil saved annually to the total estimated reserves of ANWR rather than annual output, but does reference <a href="http://www.carcare.org/tires_wheels/inflation.shtml">a reasonable article from carcare.org</a> which does confirm that keeping tires inflated to the manufactures specifications does increase fuel efficiency (&#8220;can also improve gas mileage by more than 3%&#8221;).</p>
<p>So the first article has no bearing on the topic at hand and the second has some wonky math and even helps disprove Cao&#8217;s first article!  I&#8217;m going to give Cao a wag of the finger and a read for comprehension.  A friend of mine often suggests that we have an intelligence test before people vote &#8211; fail and you can&#8217;t vote.  I&#8217;ve argued against that position for a number of reasons but posts like Cao&#8217;s make me think I might be wrong.  (Oh and my standard disclaimer: I&#8217;m sure Cao is a good, nice, wholesome person, just poor on analysis.)</p>
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		<title>By: meatbrain</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/08/05/why-laugh/#comment-23476</link>
		<dc:creator>meatbrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 13:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bq. Numerous people are either laughing at Obama, or simply pointing out how wrong he is about pumping tires and tuneups; it’s not only me, you dumb pile of meat.

What that means is that Cao is not the only one who is lying. &lt;a href="#update01"&gt;See the update above&lt;/a&gt;.

bq. But since you have such a narrow list of people to target and harrass, I don’t see you making comments on all the other blogs that have made a commentary on this.

Translation: Anytime anyone dares to comment on Cao's statements and demonstrates that she is wrong, it is "harrassment". Poor delicate flower...

bq. The whole point is that Obama’s ridiculous claim that propertly inflating tires will save as much gas/oil as we could pump from the currently off-limits areas is patently false.

Cao still has not learned that repeating a lie does not magically make it the truth. &lt;a href="#update01"&gt;See the update above&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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<p>Numerous people are either laughing at Obama, or simply pointing out how wrong he is about pumping tires and tuneups; it’s not only me, you dumb pile of meat.</p>
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<p>What that means is that Cao is not the only one who is lying. <a href="#update01">See the update above</a>.</p>
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<p>But since you have such a narrow list of people to target and harrass, I don’t see you making comments on all the other blogs that have made a commentary on this.</p>
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<p>Translation: Anytime anyone dares to comment on Cao&#8217;s statements and demonstrates that she is wrong, it is &#8220;harrassment&#8221;. Poor delicate flower&#8230;</p>
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<p>The whole point is that Obama’s ridiculous claim that propertly inflating tires will save as much gas/oil as we could pump from the currently off-limits areas is patently false.</p>
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<p>Cao still has not learned that repeating a lie does not magically make it the truth. <a href="#update01">See the update above</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Tara</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/08/05/why-laugh/#comment-23434</link>
		<dc:creator>Tara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 21:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We just posted &lt;a href="http://www.entertonement.com/clips?keywords=inflating+tires"&gt;audio from McCain's rebuttal over on Entertonement&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We just posted <a href="http://www.entertonement.com/clips?keywords=inflating+tires">audio from McCain&#8217;s rebuttal over on Entertonement</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Cao</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/08/05/why-laugh/#comment-23432</link>
		<dc:creator>Cao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 21:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Numerous people are either laughing at Obama, or simply pointing out how wrong he is about pumping tires and tuneups; it's not only me, you dumb pile of meat.

&lt;a href="http://www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/automotive_news/4199963.html"&gt;Debunking a Mileage Myth: Can You Really "Pump Up" Your Fuel Economy?&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href="http://obamawtf.blogspot.com/2008/08/gaffe-36-obama-claims-properly.html"&gt;Lie #94: Obama claims "properly inflating tires" will save as much energy as we could drill offshore; analysis shows not even close&lt;/a&gt;

But since you have such a narrow list of people to target and harrass, I don't see you making comments on all the other blogs that have made a commentary on this.

The whole point is that Obama's ridiculous claim that propertly inflating tires will save as much gas/oil as we could pump from the currently off-limits areas is patently false. Obama is flat out wrong on the drilling issue and this is yet another attempt by him to feverishly spin his way out of it.

See &lt;a href="http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/08/fact-check-obamas-claim-on-tir.html"&gt;Fact check: Obama's claim on tire pressure and tuneups&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Numerous people are either laughing at Obama, or simply pointing out how wrong he is about pumping tires and tuneups; it&#8217;s not only me, you dumb pile of meat.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/automotive_news/4199963.html">Debunking a Mileage Myth: Can You Really &#8220;Pump Up&#8221; Your Fuel Economy?</a></p>
<p><a href="http://obamawtf.blogspot.com/2008/08/gaffe-36-obama-claims-properly.html">Lie #94: Obama claims &#8220;properly inflating tires&#8221; will save as much energy as we could drill offshore; analysis shows not even close</a></p>
<p>But since you have such a narrow list of people to target and harrass, I don&#8217;t see you making comments on all the other blogs that have made a commentary on this.</p>
<p>The whole point is that Obama&#8217;s ridiculous claim that propertly inflating tires will save as much gas/oil as we could pump from the currently off-limits areas is patently false. Obama is flat out wrong on the drilling issue and this is yet another attempt by him to feverishly spin his way out of it.</p>
<p>See <a href="http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/08/fact-check-obamas-claim-on-tir.html">Fact check: Obama&#8217;s claim on tire pressure and tuneups</a></p>
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		<title>By: your worst nightmare</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/08/05/why-laugh/#comment-23427</link>
		<dc:creator>your worst nightmare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 17:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not all that bright, are you?

The auto industry has been recommending keeping your tires filled with air for the last 30 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not all that bright, are you?</p>
<p>The auto industry has been recommending keeping your tires filled with air for the last 30 years.</p>
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