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		<title>By: Orion</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/07/28/when-rhetoric-becomes-murder/#comment-23248</link>
		<dc:creator>Orion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 03:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EVIL!! *pointing finger at self with demonic expression* EEEEVVVIILLLL!!!

Orion</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EVIL!! <strong>pointing finger at self with demonic expression</strong> EEEEVVVIILLLL!!!</p>
<p>Orion</p>
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		<title>By: meatbrain</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/07/28/when-rhetoric-becomes-murder/#comment-23241</link>
		<dc:creator>meatbrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 00:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, Burhans employs a straw man rather than engage in honest debate. This is all he can do  --  he is incapable of more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, Burhans employs a straw man rather than engage in honest debate. This is all he can do &#8212; he is incapable of more.</p>
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		<title>By: Orion</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/07/28/when-rhetoric-becomes-murder/#comment-23240</link>
		<dc:creator>Orion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 23:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*shaking head sadly* Of course...Like I said, I'm evil!

EVIL I tells ya!

Orion</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>shaking head sadly</strong> Of course&#8230;Like I said, I&#8217;m evil!</p>
<p>EVIL I tells ya!</p>
<p>Orion</p>
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		<title>By: meatbrain</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/07/28/when-rhetoric-becomes-murder/#comment-23233</link>
		<dc:creator>meatbrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 20:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bq. I’m one of those evil, silly, bad men!

Again, Burhans employs a straw man rather than engage in honest debate.

bq. One notes that honest, rational discussions require TWO people at a minimum to participate…So far, I keep running into only ONE of those...

If Burhans is referring to himself, he is quite obviously lying. He refuses to discuss issues, preferring instead to employ ad hominem attacks and straw man arguments. He is incapable of honest, rational discussion.</description>
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<p>I’m one of those evil, silly, bad men!</p>
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<p>Again, Burhans employs a straw man rather than engage in honest debate.</p>
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<p>One notes that honest, rational discussions require TWO people at a minimum to participate…So far, I keep running into only ONE of those&#8230;</p>
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<p>If Burhans is referring to himself, he is quite obviously lying. He refuses to discuss issues, preferring instead to employ ad hominem attacks and straw man arguments. He is incapable of honest, rational discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Orion</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/07/28/when-rhetoric-becomes-murder/#comment-23229</link>
		<dc:creator>Orion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 20:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, what do you expect? I'm one of those evil, silly, bad men!

One notes that honest, rational discussions require TWO people at a minimum to participate...So far, I keep running into only ONE of those and that one keeps getting frustrated at your - and your readers' - one very boring and repetitive trick. But, he DOES keep hoping that eventually you - and your readers - will grow and develop a new one.

Tell me, have you folks ever heard the phrase 'knee-jerk liberal'? Just askin'.

Orion</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, what do you expect? I&#8217;m one of those evil, silly, bad men!</p>
<p>One notes that honest, rational discussions require TWO people at a minimum to participate&#8230;So far, I keep running into only ONE of those and that one keeps getting frustrated at your &#8211; and your readers&#8217; &#8211; one very boring and repetitive trick. But, he DOES keep hoping that eventually you &#8211; and your readers &#8211; will grow and develop a new one.</p>
<p>Tell me, have you folks ever heard the phrase &#8216;knee-jerk liberal&#8217;? Just askin&#8217;.</p>
<p>Orion</p>
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		<title>By: meatbrain</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/07/28/when-rhetoric-becomes-murder/#comment-23217</link>
		<dc:creator>meatbrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 15:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bq. Mmm-Hmm…Yes, that’s all true, isn’t it? Them wingnuts is just EVIL SILLY BAD MEN!

This, of course, is not what Billy Joe said. It's not even close. Jeff "Orion" Burhans falls back on the time-worn and easily-recognized straw man fallacy. It's really all he can do, since Burhans has demonstrated time and again that he is incapable of honest, rational discussion.</description>
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<p>Mmm-Hmm…Yes, that’s all true, isn’t it? Them wingnuts is just EVIL SILLY BAD MEN!</p>
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<p>This, of course, is not what Billy Joe said. It&#8217;s not even close. Jeff &#8220;Orion&#8221; Burhans falls back on the time-worn and easily-recognized straw man fallacy. It&#8217;s really all he can do, since Burhans has demonstrated time and again that he is incapable of honest, rational discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Orion</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/07/28/when-rhetoric-becomes-murder/#comment-23216</link>
		<dc:creator>Orion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 15:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*chuckles* Mmm-Hmm...Yes, that's all true, isn't it? Them wingnuts is just EVIL SILLY BAD MEN!

Out of idle curiosity, do you even read what you write, or do you just enjoy a semi-orgasmic sensation as it pours out of your fingertips, never to be seen again?

Orion</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>chuckles</strong> Mmm-Hmm&#8230;Yes, that&#8217;s all true, isn&#8217;t it? Them wingnuts is just EVIL SILLY BAD MEN!</p>
<p>Out of idle curiosity, do you even read what you write, or do you just enjoy a semi-orgasmic sensation as it pours out of your fingertips, never to be seen again?</p>
<p>Orion</p>
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		<title>By: billy Joe</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/07/28/when-rhetoric-becomes-murder/#comment-23203</link>
		<dc:creator>billy Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 06:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love it when wingnuts make assertions and then demand that YOU find evidence to support them.  It proves their laziness, their stupidity and general inability to debate.

Wingnut debate skills are not even 3rd grade level.  If, for example, they took someone to court for an alleged crime and then demanded that the defendent was responsible for finding the evidence, the Judge would dismiss the case immediately.  Debate is no different.  If Wingnuts are going to make an assertion, it's THEIR responsibility to back it up.

No wonder 'conservatives' are losing the battle of ideas.  No wonder the wingnut blogosphere is such an intellectual desert.  It's a bunch of grown-ups who act like 8 year olds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love it when wingnuts make assertions and then demand that YOU find evidence to support them.  It proves their laziness, their stupidity and general inability to debate.</p>
<p>Wingnut debate skills are not even 3rd grade level.  If, for example, they took someone to court for an alleged crime and then demanded that the defendent was responsible for finding the evidence, the Judge would dismiss the case immediately.  Debate is no different.  If Wingnuts are going to make an assertion, it&#8217;s THEIR responsibility to back it up.</p>
<p>No wonder &#8216;conservatives&#8217; are losing the battle of ideas.  No wonder the wingnut blogosphere is such an intellectual desert.  It&#8217;s a bunch of grown-ups who act like 8 year olds.</p>
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		<title>By: Orion</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/07/28/when-rhetoric-becomes-murder/#comment-23185</link>
		<dc:creator>Orion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and ACTION!

Orion 

(You're kinda like a puppet...it's easy to make you dance...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and ACTION!</p>
<p>Orion </p>
<p>(You&#8217;re kinda like a puppet&#8230;it&#8217;s easy to make you dance&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: meatbrain</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/07/28/when-rhetoric-becomes-murder/#comment-23170</link>
		<dc:creator>meatbrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When Jeff "Orion" Burhans posts known falsehoods, what term fits him better than "liar"?

&lt;a href="http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/06/17/the-fundamental-racism-of-the-american-right/#comment-22105"&gt;Burhans was challenged to provide specifics&lt;/a&gt; about Obama's gun control policy. His &lt;a href="http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/06/17/the-fundamental-racism-of-the-american-right/#comment-22119"&gt;response&lt;/a&gt;?

bq. Jesus your ‘style’ of ‘debate’ is tiresome.

When challenged to supply specifics regarding Obama's campaign statements and voting history, his &lt;a href="http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/06/17/the-fundamental-racism-of-the-american-right/#comment-22127"&gt;response&lt;/a&gt; was to whine that I should "learn how to use a search engine". Apparently, providing facts to back up his claims is not a skill that Burhans cares to learn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Jeff &#8220;Orion&#8221; Burhans posts known falsehoods, what term fits him better than &#8220;liar&#8221;?</p>
<p><a href="http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/06/17/the-fundamental-racism-of-the-american-right/#comment-22105">Burhans was challenged to provide specifics</a> about Obama&#8217;s gun control policy. His <a href="http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/06/17/the-fundamental-racism-of-the-american-right/#comment-22119">response</a>?</p>
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<p>Jesus your ‘style’ of ‘debate’ is tiresome.</p>
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<p>When challenged to supply specifics regarding Obama&#8217;s campaign statements and voting history, his <a href="http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/06/17/the-fundamental-racism-of-the-american-right/#comment-22127">response</a> was to whine that I should &#8220;learn how to use a search engine&#8221;. Apparently, providing facts to back up his claims is not a skill that Burhans cares to learn.</p>
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		<title>By: Orion</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/07/28/when-rhetoric-becomes-murder/#comment-23152</link>
		<dc:creator>Orion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BJ, that's probably because that's got more relevance than anything posted here.

And, Billy, you say 'how gay' like it's a BAD thing...Aren't you libs supposed to be all-tolerant and loving?

Meaty, you have shown pretty consistently that 'discussing the issues' with you consists of people posting items, links, and comments with you doing any one - or any group of - several things in response:

* Demanding people post links to prove their point rather than responding to any point raised.
* Refusing to follow the links and complaining that you are asked to do 'their work for them'.
* Complaining that they post quotations rather than something original.
* Complaining that people post their original thoughts rather than (quoting/linking to) someone else.
* Screaming 'liar! liar!'
* Complaining that Conservatives never discuss the issues with you.

And then, no doubt,  being SHOCKED that you don't get any quality discussions here...

Screaming 'liar! liar!' and demanding links in 5...4...3...

Orion</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BJ, that&#8217;s probably because that&#8217;s got more relevance than anything posted here.</p>
<p>And, Billy, you say &#8216;how gay&#8217; like it&#8217;s a BAD thing&#8230;Aren&#8217;t you libs supposed to be all-tolerant and loving?</p>
<p>Meaty, you have shown pretty consistently that &#8216;discussing the issues&#8217; with you consists of people posting items, links, and comments with you doing any one &#8211; or any group of &#8211; several things in response:</p>
<ul>
<li>Demanding people post links to prove their point rather than responding to any point raised.</li>
<li>Refusing to follow the links and complaining that you are asked to do &#8216;their work for them&#8217;.</li>
<li>Complaining that they post quotations rather than something original.</li>
<li>Complaining that people post their original thoughts rather than (quoting/linking to) someone else.</li>
<li>Screaming &#8216;liar! liar!&#8217;</li>
<li>Complaining that Conservatives never discuss the issues with you.</li>
</ul>
<p>And then, no doubt,  being SHOCKED that you don&#8217;t get any quality discussions here&#8230;</p>
<p>Screaming &#8216;liar! liar!&#8217; and demanding links in 5&#8230;4&#8230;3&#8230;</p>
<p>Orion</p>
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		<title>By: Raven</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/07/28/when-rhetoric-becomes-murder/#comment-23150</link>
		<dc:creator>Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to a press release by De Rotterdam BV and publications in the
newspapers, the s.s. Rotterdam will depart from Wilhelmshaven early
Saturdaymorning and will arrive at her future berth at the Maashaven in
Rotterdam at 09.00 in the evening on Monday 4 August.</description>
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newspapers, the s.s. Rotterdam will depart from Wilhelmshaven early<br />
Saturdaymorning and will arrive at her future berth at the Maashaven in<br />
Rotterdam at 09.00 in the evening on Monday 4 August.</p>
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		<title>By: billy Joe</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/07/28/when-rhetoric-becomes-murder/#comment-23126</link>
		<dc:creator>billy Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 02:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw that there were 8 comments here and thought that there might be an interesting discussion going on.  Instead, it's a bunch of conservative bedwetters talking about teevee &#38; the Queen Mary.

K-Man... How gay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw that there were 8 comments here and thought that there might be an interesting discussion going on.  Instead, it&#8217;s a bunch of conservative bedwetters talking about teevee &#038; the Queen Mary.</p>
<p>K-Man&#8230; How gay.</p>
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		<title>By: meatbrain</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/07/28/when-rhetoric-becomes-murder/#comment-23111</link>
		<dc:creator>meatbrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As always, the marching morons prove that they are utterly incapable of discussing the issues.

&lt;em&gt;"I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: "O Lord make my enemies ridiculous." And God granted it."&lt;/em&gt;  --  Voltaire</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As always, the marching morons prove that they are utterly incapable of discussing the issues.</p>
<p><em>&#8220;I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: &#8220;O Lord make my enemies ridiculous.&#8221; And God granted it.&#8221;</em> &#8212; Voltaire</p>
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		<title>By: Ogre</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/07/28/when-rhetoric-becomes-murder/#comment-23099</link>
		<dc:creator>Ogre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where's my dollar?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where&#8217;s my dollar?</p>
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