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	<description>It's meat! And it thinks!</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: meatbrain</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/03/25/what-did-they-die-for/#comment-19865</link>
		<dc:creator>meatbrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 10:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No comments have been deleted. There seems to be a problem with Spam Karma 2; it is going back and marking as spam comments that I have already approved. &lt;a href="mailto:meatbrain@thinkingmeat.net"&gt;Please alert me via email&lt;/a&gt; if you see an approved comment disappear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No comments have been deleted. There seems to be a problem with Spam Karma 2; it is going back and marking as spam comments that I have already approved. <a href="mailto:&#x6d;&#x65;&#x61;&#x74;&#x62;&#x72;&#x61;&#x69;&#x6e;&#x40;&#x74;&#x68;&#x69;&#x6e;&#x6b;&#x69;&#x6e;&#x67;&#x6d;&#x65;&#x61;&#x74;&#x2e;&#x6e;et">Please alert me via email</a> if you see an approved comment disappear.</p>
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		<title>By: Qwerty</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/03/25/what-did-they-die-for/#comment-19856</link>
		<dc:creator>Qwerty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for deleting the comments you quoted from, Fleischkopf. Who's writing the short stories *now*?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for deleting the comments you quoted from, Fleischkopf. Who&#8217;s writing the short stories <strong>now</strong>?</p>
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		<title>By: meatbrain</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/03/25/what-did-they-die-for/#comment-19819</link>
		<dc:creator>meatbrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bq. This is, as I said, an alternate reading. 

It's an alternate *to what*? You said that the dead chose to die "because a higher-up authority thought about the issues and wanted [them] to". What alternate interpretation of your words is there?

bq. Ideals such as, but not limited to, the following: universal ethics, a universal moral code, the concept of obedience to authority, etc., etc.

Excuse me? We are sending soldiers to die in Iraq for the sake of "universal ethics, a universal moral code, the concept of obedience to authority"? What are you babbling about? It seems clear you've given no thought whatsoever to the question of why Americans are dying in that war.</description>
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<p>This is, as I said, an alternate reading. </p>
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<p>It&#8217;s an alternate <strong>to what</strong>? You said that the dead chose to die &#8220;because a higher-up authority thought about the issues and wanted [them] to&#8221;. What alternate interpretation of your words is there?</p>
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<p>Ideals such as, but not limited to, the following: universal ethics, a universal moral code, the concept of obedience to authority, etc., etc.</p>
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<p>Excuse me? We are sending soldiers to die in Iraq for the sake of &#8220;universal ethics, a universal moral code, the concept of obedience to authority&#8221;? What are you babbling about? It seems clear you&#8217;ve given no thought whatsoever to the question of why Americans are dying in that war.</p>
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		<title>By: Qwerty</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/03/25/what-did-they-die-for/#comment-19818</link>
		<dc:creator>Qwerty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"And I find your claim that one should volunteer to die “because a higher-up authority thought about the issues and wanted you to” to be beyond repulsive."

1. This is, as I said, an alternate reading. If you're truly liberal (in the classical sense of the word, not today's sense), you'd have realized this.
2. Thank you for expressing your views on my words. Forward the spirit of true democracy! It's very nice that you find my views "beyond repulsive" - however, you might try looking for a synonym, as you have labeled my views similarly in previous posts.

"What were those “ideals”, Qwerty?"

1. It is something called a general statement. Things like that exist in the English language; most everyone uses them at one time or another. 
2. Fine, I'll answer the question. Ideals such as, but not limited to, the following: universal ethics, a universal moral code, the concept of obedience to authority, etc., etc. Thank you very much.

Please put back my picture. I may or may not write a petition about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And I find your claim that one should volunteer to die “because a higher-up authority thought about the issues and wanted you to” to be beyond repulsive.&#8221;</p>
<p>1. This is, as I said, an alternate reading. If you&#8217;re truly liberal (in the classical sense of the word, not today&#8217;s sense), you&#8217;d have realized this.<br />
2. Thank you for expressing your views on my words. Forward the spirit of true democracy! It&#8217;s very nice that you find my views &#8220;beyond repulsive&#8221; &#8211; however, you might try looking for a synonym, as you have labeled my views similarly in previous posts.</p>
<p>&#8220;What were those “ideals”, Qwerty?&#8221;</p>
<p>1. It is something called a general statement. Things like that exist in the English language; most everyone uses them at one time or another. <br />
2. Fine, I&#8217;ll answer the question. Ideals such as, but not limited to, the following: universal ethics, a universal moral code, the concept of obedience to authority, etc., etc. Thank you very much.</p>
<p>Please put back my picture. I may or may not write a petition about that.</p>
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		<title>By: meatbrain</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/03/25/what-did-they-die-for/#comment-19812</link>
		<dc:creator>meatbrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bq. As in dying willingly for higher ideals than one’s own skin...

What were those "ideals", Qwerty?

And I find your claim that one should volunteer to die "because a higher-up authority thought about the issues and wanted you to" to be beyond repulsive.</description>
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<p>As in dying willingly for higher ideals than one’s own skin&#8230;</p>
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<p>What were those &#8220;ideals&#8221;, Qwerty?</p>
<p>And I find your claim that one should volunteer to die &#8220;because a higher-up authority thought about the issues and wanted you to&#8221; to be beyond repulsive.</p>
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		<title>By: billy Joe</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/03/25/what-did-they-die-for/#comment-19796</link>
		<dc:creator>billy Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 02:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They died so bush wouldn't have to be embarrassed (or impeached) and so that war supporters could get the vicarious thrill of acting tough.

There is zero evidence that the war has made us safer.  If anything bush walked right into bin Laden's trap:  to bog down our military (in a country where bin Laden isn't even located, no less) and to bankrupt us.  And Republicans call this 'success', to boot!  

They're no different than bin Laden himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They died so bush wouldn&#8217;t have to be embarrassed (or impeached) and so that war supporters could get the vicarious thrill of acting tough.</p>
<p>There is zero evidence that the war has made us safer.  If anything bush walked right into bin Laden&#8217;s trap:  to bog down our military (in a country where bin Laden isn&#8217;t even located, no less) and to bankrupt us.  And Republicans call this &#8216;success&#8217;, to boot!  </p>
<p>They&#8217;re no different than bin Laden himself.</p>
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		<title>By: Qwerty</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/03/25/what-did-they-die-for/#comment-19794</link>
		<dc:creator>Qwerty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 01:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the image weren't posted in the context of your blog, Fleischkopf, it could be taken the other way, y'know. As in dying willingly for higher ideals than one's own skin...because a higher-up authority thought about the issues and wanted you to.

(rereads the text that The Honorable T. B. Fleischkopf will most certainly take apart while repeating ad infinitum the labels of Wingnut, Warp**p, He, It, ... and sighing in mock frustration)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the image weren&#8217;t posted in the context of your blog, Fleischkopf, it could be taken the other way, y&#8217;know. As in dying willingly for higher ideals than one&#8217;s own skin&#8230;because a higher-up authority thought about the issues and wanted you to.</p>
<p>(rereads the text that The Honorable T. B. Fleischkopf will most certainly take apart while repeating ad infinitum the labels of Wingnut, Warp**p, He, It, ... and sighing in mock frustration)</p>
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		<title>By: Qwerty</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/03/25/what-did-they-die-for/#comment-19793</link>
		<dc:creator>Qwerty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 01:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice picture. Wasn't a similar one on the cover of Time Magazine some time ago, Fleischkopf? You're such a clever artiste, you dearie! You really must show me sometime how to upload pics to my blog. Seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice picture. Wasn&#8217;t a similar one on the cover of Time Magazine some time ago, Fleischkopf? You&#8217;re such a clever artiste, you dearie! You really must show me sometime how to upload pics to my blog. Seriously.</p>
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