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	<title>Comments on: Oh yeah, the surge is working, all right&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: billy Joe</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/02/01/oh-yeah-the-surge-is-working-all-right/#comment-18475</link>
		<dc:creator>billy Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 10:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the Iraq war is a $1 trillion 'skirmish', then bush is even more incompetent than I previously thought.

Cao lives in the same upside down world as your typical right-wing naif:  war is peace, success is failure, debt is wealth, failure is success, etc.  Right-wing dupes are almost completely incapable of using actual data to support their absurd conclusions.

I didn't realize Cao was a girl, either.  The world is just full of surprises:  big dog is a nurse, Cao is a girl, Wild bill of passionate America is a tough stay-at-home dad with a criminal record, the 'Gathering of Eagles' guys are so fat and lazy that they don't even march when they do their protest warrior routine, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the Iraq war is a $1 trillion &#8216;skirmish&#8217;, then bush is even more incompetent than I previously thought.</p>
<p>Cao lives in the same upside down world as your typical right-wing naif:  war is peace, success is failure, debt is wealth, failure is success, etc.  Right-wing dupes are almost completely incapable of using actual data to support their absurd conclusions.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t realize Cao was a girl, either.  The world is just full of surprises:  big dog is a nurse, Cao is a girl, Wild bill of passionate America is a tough stay-at-home dad with a criminal record, the &#8216;Gathering of Eagles&#8217; guys are so fat and lazy that they don&#8217;t even march when they do their protest warrior routine, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: libhomo</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/02/01/oh-yeah-the-surge-is-working-all-right/#comment-18271</link>
		<dc:creator>libhomo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 05:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The surge is working, for Big Oil, Halliburton, GE, Blackwater, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The surge is working, for Big Oil, Halliburton, GE, Blackwater, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: National Review Online</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/02/01/oh-yeah-the-surge-is-working-all-right/#comment-18263</link>
		<dc:creator>National Review Online</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 01:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Will Vietnam Cost the Democrats the White House — Again?...&lt;/strong&gt;

You can win an election on bad news if it’s obvious, but not if you have to sell the voters on it first. Why choose to feel dismal?  Even if that's what Meatbrain choses...we don't have to....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Will Vietnam Cost the Democrats the White House — Again?...</strong></p>
<p>You can win an election on bad news if it’s obvious, but not if you have to sell the voters on it first. Why choose to feel dismal?  Even if that&#8217;s what Meatbrain choses&#8230;we don&#8217;t have to&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Cao's Blog</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/02/01/oh-yeah-the-surge-is-working-all-right/#comment-18230</link>
		<dc:creator>Cao's Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;AFP: Recycling bad news...&lt;/strong&gt;

I guess there isn&#8217;t enough bad news on the War in Iraq lately with the success of the surge and all.

AFP: Something Old is New Again

    Listen to this podcast 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>AFP: Recycling bad news&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>I guess there isn&#8217;t enough bad news on the War in Iraq lately with the success of the surge and all.</p>
<p>AFP: Something Old is New Again</p>
<p>    Listen to this podcast <br />
......</p>
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		<title>By: Cao's Blog</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/02/01/oh-yeah-the-surge-is-working-all-right/#comment-18217</link>
		<dc:creator>Cao's Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 00:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Dude-Where&#8217;s my Quagmire?...&lt;/strong&gt;

From Free Republic - and JohnHuang2
One wire dispatch put it this way: 
&#8220;It was something not seen in Baghdad since before the 2003 invasion &#8212; people publicly welcoming a new year with singing, dancing and general revelry. The ballrooms of ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Dude-Where&#8217;s my Quagmire?...</strong></p>
<p>From Free Republic &#8211; and JohnHuang2<br />
One wire dispatch put it this way: <br />
&#8220;It was something not seen in Baghdad since before the 2003 invasion &#8212; people publicly welcoming a new year with singing, dancing and general revelry. The ballrooms of &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Gateway Pundit</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/02/01/oh-yeah-the-surge-is-working-all-right/#comment-18168</link>
		<dc:creator>Gateway Pundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 21:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Surge Success Continues-- Iraq Sees Great Gains Over Last Year...&lt;/strong&gt;

Of course... This good news means no news....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Surge Success Continues&#8212;Iraq Sees Great Gains Over Last Year&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Of course&#8230; This good news means no news&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Cao's Blog</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/02/01/oh-yeah-the-surge-is-working-all-right/#comment-18159</link>
		<dc:creator>Cao's Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 17:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The Surge is still working-but-if it bleeds, it ledes...&lt;/strong&gt;

Meatbrain thinks the surge is not working, but we can pretty much dismiss his idiocy with a block of salt.
If it bleeds it ledes, which is what we&#8217;ve been complaining about since the beginning, even when there was no war.  The MSM and others-hate...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The Surge is still working-but-if it bleeds, it ledes&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Meatbrain thinks the surge is not working, but we can pretty much dismiss his idiocy with a block of salt.<br />
If it bleeds it ledes, which is what we&#8217;ve been complaining about since the beginning, even when there was no war.  The MSM and others-hate&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: meatbrain</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/02/01/oh-yeah-the-surge-is-working-all-right/#comment-18153</link>
		<dc:creator>meatbrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 12:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, I have made no such argument. Qwerty is unable to muster anything more than a straw man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, I have made no such argument. Qwerty is unable to muster anything more than a straw man.</p>
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		<title>By: Qwerty</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/02/01/oh-yeah-the-surge-is-working-all-right/#comment-18136</link>
		<dc:creator>Qwerty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 02:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Precisely. Since I "don't" provide evidence to prove I'm "not" an "intellectual coward," your fallacy is to conclude that I "am" an "intellectual coward." Look it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Precisely. Since I &#8220;don&#8217;t&#8221; provide evidence to prove I&#8217;m &#8220;not&#8221; an &#8220;intellectual coward,&#8221; your fallacy is to conclude that I &#8220;am&#8221; an &#8220;intellectual coward.&#8221; Look it up.</p>
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		<title>By: meatbrain</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/02/01/oh-yeah-the-surge-is-working-all-right/#comment-18131</link>
		<dc:creator>meatbrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 00:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I don't understand how, but a previously approved comment of Qwerty's has been deleted. It was:&lt;/em&gt;

"(should we break it to him, GM? That he's using the proof-by-lack-of-evidence-to-the-contrary fallacy?)"

&lt;em&gt;To which I replied:&lt;/em&gt;

What "lack of evidence" does Qwerty claim I am relying upon?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I don&#8217;t understand how, but a previously approved comment of Qwerty&#8217;s has been deleted. It was:</em></p>
<p>&#8221;(should we break it to him, GM? That he&#8217;s using the proof-by-lack-of-evidence-to-the-contrary fallacy?)&#8221;</p>
<p><em>To which I replied:</em></p>
<p>What &#8220;lack of evidence&#8221; does Qwerty claim I am relying upon?</p>
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		<title>By: meatbrain</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/02/01/oh-yeah-the-surge-is-working-all-right/#comment-18126</link>
		<dc:creator>meatbrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 23:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bq. Be happy to refute your argument when you decide to make one meaty. 

&lt;a href="http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/02/01/oh-yeah-the-surge-is-working-all-right/#comment-18122"&gt;See above&lt;/a&gt;. GM ignores that fact that I have in fact made an argument. Like others of his kind, he is incapable of actual discussion.

I'll ask the question straight out, with the expectation that the warpimps will be unwilling to address it: How can a strategy that has failed to achieve the majority of its stated objectives be considered a success?</description>
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<p>Be happy to refute your argument when you decide to make one meaty. </p>
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<p><a href="http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/02/01/oh-yeah-the-surge-is-working-all-right/#comment-18122">See above</a>. GM ignores that fact that I have in fact made an argument. Like others of his kind, he is incapable of actual discussion.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll ask the question straight out, with the expectation that the warpimps will be unwilling to address it: How can a strategy that has failed to achieve the majority of its stated objectives be considered a success?</p>
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		<title>By: GM</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/02/01/oh-yeah-the-surge-is-working-all-right/#comment-18124</link>
		<dc:creator>GM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 23:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Be happy to refute your argument when you decide to make one meaty.  Oh, and pretending that calling the skirmish in Iraq something else (a war)is an argument. It is not. It is intellectual cowardice don'tcha think?

By the way, Qwerty is exactly correct in the German meaty.  

Oh, and picking at some supposed errors but ignoring factually correct statements is also cowardice meaty.  Can't understand why you don't get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Be happy to refute your argument when you decide to make one meaty.  Oh, and pretending that calling the skirmish in Iraq something else (a war)is an argument. It is not. It is intellectual cowardice don&#8217;tcha think?</p>
<p>By the way, Qwerty is exactly correct in the German meaty.  </p>
<p>Oh, and picking at some supposed errors but ignoring factually correct statements is also cowardice meaty.  Can&#8217;t understand why you don&#8217;t get it.</p>
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		<title>By: meatbrain</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/02/01/oh-yeah-the-surge-is-working-all-right/#comment-18122</link>
		<dc:creator>meatbrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 22:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/02/AR2008020200350.html"&gt;Another example of the tremendous success of the surge&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Iraqi officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were authorized to release the information, raised the death toll of Friday's attacks to at least 99  --  62 people in the first blast at the central al-Ghazl bazaar and 37 others about 20 minutes later at the New Baghdad area pigeon market in southeastern Baghdad.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;...&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The bombings served as a reminder that Iraqi insurgents are constantly shifting their strategies in attempts to unravel recent security gains around the country. Women have been used in ever greater frequency in suicide attacks  --  six times now since November.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Friday's blasts were the deadliest in the capital since an April 18 suicide car bombing that killed 116 and wounded 145.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What Cao and her fellow warpimps ignore  --  what they &lt;em&gt;must&lt;/em&gt; ignore  --  is that local reductions in violence in Baghdad and other cities were not the primary goals of the surge. Those were only tactics, and while there have been some reductions in violence in some parts of Iraq, the actual goals of the surge, as laid out by both the Bush administration and the Iraqi government under Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, remain largely unmet. This was documented by a &lt;a href="http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d071195.pdf"&gt;recent report from the Government Accountability Office&lt;/a&gt;. 

There's &lt;a href="http://www.nsnetwork.org/node/244"&gt;more on this at the National Security Network&lt;/a&gt;. Reconciliation and political progress in Iraq has bogged down. The soldiers whose lives have been sacrificed in the surge deserve better than to have pundits and wingnut bloggers declare that the surge has been a success in blatant disregard of the facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/02/AR2008020200350.html">Another example of the tremendous success of the surge</a>:</p>
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<p>Iraqi officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were authorized to release the information, raised the death toll of Friday&#8217;s attacks to at least 99 &#8212; 62 people in the first blast at the central al-Ghazl bazaar and 37 others about 20 minutes later at the New Baghdad area pigeon market in southeastern Baghdad.</p>
<p>...</p>
<p>The bombings served as a reminder that Iraqi insurgents are constantly shifting their strategies in attempts to unravel recent security gains around the country. Women have been used in ever greater frequency in suicide attacks &#8212; six times now since November.</p>
<p>Friday&#8217;s blasts were the deadliest in the capital since an April 18 suicide car bombing that killed 116 and wounded 145.</p>
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<p>What Cao and her fellow warpimps ignore &#8212; what they <em>must</em> ignore &#8212; is that local reductions in violence in Baghdad and other cities were not the primary goals of the surge. Those were only tactics, and while there have been some reductions in violence in some parts of Iraq, the actual goals of the surge, as laid out by both the Bush administration and the Iraqi government under Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, remain largely unmet. This was documented by a <a href="http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d071195.pdf">recent report from the Government Accountability Office</a>. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s <a href="http://www.nsnetwork.org/node/244">more on this at the National Security Network</a>. Reconciliation and political progress in Iraq has bogged down. The soldiers whose lives have been sacrificed in the surge deserve better than to have pundits and wingnut bloggers declare that the surge has been a success in blatant disregard of the facts.</p>
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		<title>By: Cao</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/02/01/oh-yeah-the-surge-is-working-all-right/#comment-18114</link>
		<dc:creator>Cao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 19:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=24429"&gt;The Surge: Still Working&lt;/a&gt;
by Roger D. Carstens
Posted: 01/14/2008

But what you and your fellow propagandists want is to lose the war, isn't it brown teeth?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=24429">The Surge: Still Working</a><br />
by Roger D. Carstens<br />
Posted: 01/14/2008</p>
<p>But what you and your fellow propagandists want is to lose the war, isn&#8217;t it brown teeth?</p>
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		<title>By: Cao</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/02/01/oh-yeah-the-surge-is-working-all-right/#comment-18113</link>
		<dc:creator>Cao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 19:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to Col. Terry Ferrell, commander of the 2nd Brigade, 3rd ID, the intelligence to plan the Jan. 10 air strikes came from local Iraqi civilians “protecting their own, protecting their towns” from al Qaeda in Iraq. The purpose of the Jan. 10 strikes was to eliminate defensive positions, including weapons caches and IEDs (including HBIEDs—structural bombs, homes rigged with heavy explosives) targeted at approaching coalition forces.

Local Iraqi civilians collected enough intelligence over the last several months to pinpoint more than 40 targets.

According to Col .Steven Boylan, many of the bombs dropped during the strike targeted deep-buried IEDs. Boylan also noted that many of the strikes triggered “numerous secondary explosions confirming the hits.” He also confirmed that this was “very sparsely populated area,” and that Iraqi civilians were evacuated in advance of the strikes. 

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God forbid you should quote someone who's actually over there, Bisson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to Col. Terry Ferrell, commander of the 2nd Brigade, 3rd ID, the intelligence to plan the Jan. 10 air strikes came from local Iraqi civilians “protecting their own, protecting their towns” from al Qaeda in Iraq. The purpose of the Jan. 10 strikes was to eliminate defensive positions, including weapons caches and IEDs (including HBIEDs—structural bombs, homes rigged with heavy explosives) targeted at approaching coalition forces.</p>
<p>Local Iraqi civilians collected enough intelligence over the last several months to pinpoint more than 40 targets.</p>
<p>According to Col .Steven Boylan, many of the bombs dropped during the strike targeted deep-buried IEDs. Boylan also noted that many of the strikes triggered “numerous secondary explosions confirming the hits.” He also confirmed that this was “very sparsely populated area,” and that Iraqi civilians were evacuated in advance of the strikes. <br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
God forbid you should quote someone who&#8217;s actually over there, Bisson.</p>
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