Hey, HoosierArmyMom… Listen Up!

Yep, no original thought here

Du machst deine Seite ein Disservice, puella. Schlechte Namen zu nennen macht kein Sinn, aber wer wuerde es exspectare? (oder ‘qui exspectarere’) Geschwindigkeitsbegrenzungen meinen nichts zu dir, puella-pulla.

Quit playing games, moron, and post your comments in English.

Warum? Ist Deutsch zu dumm gesprochen zu sein? hm? Das Wort “Moron” heisst jemand dumm; wenn man zwei oder drei Sprache sprechen, lesen, und schreiben kann, ist man klug. Aber du…du kannst nur Englisch schreiben…

Warum?

Because you can, moron. You’re posting in German in order to avoid having an actual discussion.

Wieder liest du meine Gedaenke…du bist so klug! Si hoc legere scis, nimium eruditiones habes.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/moron:
“1. A stupid person; a dolt.
2. Psychology A person of mild mental retardation having a mental age of from 7 to 12 years and generally having communication and social skills enabling some degree of academic or vocational education. The term belongs to a classification system no longer in use and is now considered offensive.”

Sehr, sehr klug. Und hier ist etwas umzudenken: Doof bleibt doof, und helfen keine Pilzen. Puella-pulla.

Quit playing games, moron, and post your comments in English. You’re afraid of any actual discussion.

Ich kann auf deutsch diskutieren, wenn du moechtest. Die deutsche Sprache ist viel besser als englische. Wie ich gesagen habe, bin ich kein “moron,” aber du…

Quit playing games, moron, and post your comments in English. You’re afraid of any actual discussion.

Wenn du Babelfish hast, dann kann ich auf deutsch schreiben. Bitte mach Sinn, nicht Mist, puella-pulla.

Quit playing games, moron, and post your comments in English. You’re afraid of any actual discussion.

Ideen, nicht Sprache, puella-pulla.

Quit playing games, moron, and post your comments in English. You’re afraid of any actual discussion.

Wie immer, wie ein Radier-Dummi, Haenchen-kopf kann nichts kluges sagen.

Quit playing games, moron, and post your comments in English. You’re afraid of any actual discussion.

Radier-dummi, Radier-dummi, Radier-dummi, Radier-dummi…puella-pulla!

Quit playing games, moron, and post your comments in English. You’re afraid of any actual discussion.

Nummer sieben! Die Haenchen-kopf-puella-pulla hat Magick in ihren Kopf! Huzzah!

Qwerty, you’re cracking me up.

Not that Terry would be able to discern what exactly it is that you’re saying with his handy cheap little translation program and two brain cells.

But that’s why it’s ‘meat’ and doesn’t ‘think’...it just ‘thinks it’s meat’...LOL

So you’ve put moderation on Qwerty, too? This is too funny, Terry, what are you so afraid of?

Baiting Hoosier Army Mom like that…as if your thoughts are so much more superior than hers…when all you go on is FEELINGS and deconstructing arguments through insults.

If you came up with an original thought that wasn’t already stolen from a radical website like the International Socialists, I think I’d just keel over from utter shock and disbelief.

So you’ve put moderation on Qwerty, too?

Not on Qwerty specifically, no. All comments are subject to moderation. I’ve already explained why. Perhaps if Cao paid attention, she would know this.

Baiting Hoosier Army Mom like that…as if your thoughts are so much more superior than hers…when all you go on is FEELINGS and deconstructing arguments through insults.

I have at no time suggested that any of my thoughts are superior to those of HoosierArmyMom. What I have pointed out is that HoosierArmyMom seems to have little or no interest or capacity to discuss serious issues.

Cao is well aware that I provide factual evidence to support my arguments. Examples can be found here, here, here, and here. Cao’s claim that I do nothing but ”[deconstruct] arguments through insults” is demonstrably false.

If you came up with an original thought that wasn’t already stolen from a radical website like the International Socialists, I think I’d just keel over from utter shock and disbelief.

Perhaps Cao can provide examples of arguments I have made that can be demonstrated to have been “stolen” from another website. More likely, however, this is yet another of the endless stream of unsupported accusations that Cao vomits up in place of a fact-based discussion.

I think Meaty could use a good 13 Step Program like this one.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/01/the_13_steps_of_liberals_anony.html

Thank you, Mom, for again demonstrating that you are either unwilling or incapable of engaging in a discussion of serious issues. The liberals-are-mentally-ill meme is perhaps the tiredest and silliest of the pastimes with which extremists like you amuse yourselves.

Now, there are serious questions to be discussed, such as this one. Do you have the slightest ability to engage in rational debate? If so, feel free to chime in with an intelligent comment.

Somehow, I do not think I will be holding my breath…

“Somehow, I do not think I will be holding my breath…”

Well, goody for you. Breathe the clean air outside your bubble.

(oops, self-fulfilling prophecy. Must not anger the Mighty Meaty! He will slander us, he will slander us, preciouss!)

Still waiting for you or one of your fellow wingnuts to attempt a serious answer to a serious question.

And as usual, you show no sign of having that ability.

Arthur Chrenkoff has blogged his critique of the mainstream media’s reporting and I tend to agree with the point he is making.

“Nearly three-quarters of all Americans surveyed, 70.7%, indicated they strongly or somewhat agreed that negative media reporting damages troop morale. Over half of all survey respondents, 59.8%, agreed (strongly or somewhat) that negative media coverage damages prospects for success in Iraq because it encourages terrorists, and about half, 49.1%, agreed (strongly or somewhat) that things are likely going better for the U.S. than the U.S. media portrays.”

The entire blog entry give some interesting facts that I believe you miss Meaty. You can read it here:

http://pajamasmedia.com/2008/01/good_news_from_iraq_more_than.php

It is heartening to see that you are capable of more than parroting the liberals-are-mentally-ill meme, Mom. I appreciate the effort that must have taken.

But let us back up a moment and examine the statistics to which Chrenkoff refers. Is it your contention that, simply because a sizable fraction of Americans agree with the idea that “negative media reporting damages troop morale” or that “negative media coverage damages prospects for success in Iraq”, that it must be so? Put more simply, does mass belief in an idea mean that said idea is automatically true?

Not automatically Meaty, I have been reading some other items. This article by Vasko Kohlmayer on American Thinker has interesting implications.

“The dramatic decline in US casualties in Iraq has been one the great untold story of recent months. With thirty-nine lost in January, twenty-three in December, thirty-seven in November and thirty-eight in November, a young American male would have been safer in Iraq than in some of America’s inner cities.”

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/02/what_americas_declining_casual.html

Michael Borone wrote an article about the Surge calling it a “dazzling success” and pointing out why.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=24190

And then you can go to a blog done by two Iraqi brothers and get their take on how things are “post Surge” in Iraq and get the info first hand.
They are not currently in Iraq, but they were there when the Surge started and definately have input about what is going on from first hand sources.
You can find Mohammed and Omar’s blog by going to

http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/2005/01/people-have-won.html

And then there is Oliver North’s article written in December on “The New Iraq” where he gives input on “how things were going then and where he sees it leading”.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=23964

One has to constantly look at the situation. And I do like to go out and look at what the reporters like Michael Yon are saying. He is on the frontlines and is not supported by anyone but his readers… no special interests pulling his strings.

Not automatically…

Ah, good. Then I assume we can agree that the beliefs of the respondents to the survey — that “negative media reporting damages troop morale” or that “negative media coverage damages prospects for success in Iraq” — are irrelevant in determining whether those claims are actually true.

Perhaps you can address the question I asked: How can a strategy that has failed to achieve the majority of its stated objectives be considered a success?

Go to the sources I quoted Meaty. Take in the reporting of the Iraqi brothers. And of course be aware that the mainstream media is not entirely reliable.
It is my opinion that the Surge has done what it was supposed to be doing.
Violence in Baghdad is done 81%, the Iraqi people are starting to live their lives again, and the Iraqi army and police are coming along too. And don’t go thinking that I believe our troops will be needed there indefinately. Reading what the people are saying in Michael Yon’s dispatches and the Iraqi brother’s blog, I don’t thing the people there want that. But Iraq is a different place post surge and you can try to play it differently Meaty, but the truth is out there. I am a project manager and I know all about objectives and milestones. The don’t just all magically “go away”, if an objective is only 99% accomplished, it isn’t done yet, but you don’t scrap the project because it’s still there. And you don’t turn your back on a decent people because you want to bring the troops home. Even Murtha has had to admit the Surge has been successful, now it’s time to lean on the “Iraqi Government” to get it together.

It is my opinion that the Surge has done what it was supposed to be doing.

That’s nice. Let’s find out if that opinion has any factual backing.

What were the objectives of the surge?

Which of them have been accomplished?

How can a strategy that has failed to achieve the majority of its stated objectives be considered a success?

Violence in Baghdad is done 81%...

Where in Iraq has violence increased?

By how much?

These are hard questions, Mom. They can’t be answered by the simple expedient of posting links to articles and blogs that promote the war. Are you able to answer them?

Actually, you post to links and articles quite frequently Meaty, and they are usually “slanted”. Omar and Mohammed’s blog cannot possibly be considered “promoting the war” anymore than you could be considered promoting the war. You have asked questions heavily influenced by your thinking on the subject. I will look closely and see if they can be answered with some real factual data, and not some trumped up perspective from either side. It seems that people who want to awfulize something, will do so no matter what they “see and read”. I really don’t think political agendas should enter into how one views progress. The tactics are working, they are now spreading out from Baghdad to root out the insurgents, AQI is getting so desparate they are strapping remote controlled bombs on Down’s Syndrome women and sending them into crowds and murdering them in order to do attacks. Sounds desparate to me. Benchmarks, goals, objectives, milestones, whatever… they are being done, THE PEOPLE are benefitting by having an enemy that was abusing and killing them pushed out. I will find some numbers Meaty, but I still like to read what the people over there are saying about the progress. People count more, not statistics, after all, statistics tend to be slanted, bent, and twisted to promote political agendas don’t they.

Actually, you post to links and articles quite frequently Meaty, and they are usually “slanted”.

And this differs from the links and articles you post… how, exactly?

You have asked questions heavily influenced by your thinking on the subject.

I ask questions that you are afraid to answer. That is why you don’t answer them.

I will look closely and see if they can be answered with some real factual data, and not some trumped up perspective from either side.

I doubt that. It is far more likely that you will simply choose to never answer the questions. A serious discussion of the failure to achieve most of the stated goals of the surge is just too scary for you.

Benchmarks, goals, objectives, milestones, whatever… they are being done…

Produce the evidence to back up your claim, Mom. Your fact-free assertion is worthless.

I’ll ask again, simply because I know you will evade the question: How can a strategy that has failed to achieve the majority of its stated objectives be considered a success?

“I ask questions that you are afraid to answer. That is why you don’t answer them”

Funny thing Meaty, you offer no answers to the questions you ask and no resources by which you have reached any kind of conclusions. Considering the fact that the mainstream media is so silent on the topic speaks volumes about the Surge and who is really scared it is being successful. When there is a “media blackout” on any news that is good, I take that as a sign that progress has been made, and when Iraqi citizens speak out about the progress they see and they are “there”, well it makes me think that if anyone is afraid, it might just be you and your “ilk”. If you have real evidence to present to back your views, please put it out here. I would welcome it since there is very little out there to point to the status. This having to depend on Iraqi bloggers who are “living it” gets old.

Funny thing Meaty, you offer no answers to the questions you ask…

That’s because the point is to watch your kind run away from the questions, Mom. Once again, you have obliged.

How can a strategy that has failed to achieve the majority of its stated objectives be considered a success?

...and no resources by which you have reached any kind of conclusions.

You’re lying, of course.

How can a strategy that has failed to achieve the majority of its stated objectives be considered a success?

If you have real evidence to present to back your views, please put it out here. I would welcome it since there is very little out there to point to the status.

You’re lying, of course.

How can a strategy that has failed to achieve the majority of its stated objectives be considered a success?

Run away again, Mom.