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		<title>By: Big Dog</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/01/12/big-dog-lies-about-the-constitution/#comment-17427</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I give him the benefit of the doubt on this one because I witnessed the malfunction.  It had something to do with a url I tried to link.

I am not going back and screw with putting comments back up</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I give him the benefit of the doubt on this one because I witnessed the malfunction.  It had something to do with a url I tried to link.</p>
<p>I am not going back and screw with putting comments back up</p>
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		<title>By: meatbrain</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/01/12/big-dog-lies-about-the-constitution/#comment-17417</link>
		<dc:creator>meatbrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 16:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See &lt;a href="http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/01/15/whoops-hit-a-pothole/"&gt;this post&lt;/a&gt; regarding recent database issues on this site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See <a href="http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/01/15/whoops-hit-a-pothole/">this post</a> regarding recent database issues on this site.</p>
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		<title>By: Cao</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/01/12/big-dog-lies-about-the-constitution/#comment-17405</link>
		<dc:creator>Cao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DO AS I SAY BUT NOT AS I DO!!!

Come on, BD, libtards and libtards posing as 'straight conservative males' - such as Jeb Eddy and Clinton's plants- don't apply the same rules to us as they do to themselves - that would make them rational reasonable human beings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DO AS I SAY BUT NOT AS I DO!!!</p>
<p>Come on, BD, libtards and libtards posing as &#8216;straight conservative males&#8217; &#8211; such as Jeb Eddy and Clinton&#8217;s plants- don&#8217;t apply the same rules to us as they do to themselves &#8211; that would make them rational reasonable human beings.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Dog</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/01/12/big-dog-lies-about-the-constitution/#comment-17402</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You deleted my response to Dan.  I thoght you hated when people did things like that.

I guess you don't want any more comments here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You deleted my response to Dan.  I thoght you hated when people did things like that.</p>
<p>I guess you don&#8217;t want any more comments here.</p>
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		<title>By: dan l</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/01/12/big-dog-lies-about-the-constitution/#comment-17386</link>
		<dc:creator>dan l</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, let's review - In the midst of being falling down the logic pit on your "WHY THE BIG DOG WHO DROVE A TRUCK IN THE MILITARY DOESN'T WANT ANY QUEERS IN THE MILITARY" post - having already admitted that there are plenty of risk groups and without any explanation as to why you single out gay folks (though, I'm sure given an agreeable audience - you'd go further):

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However, those in poverty are not likely to pass the tests to get in the service because many never finish school. There is an educational requirement.
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Have you ever taken the ASVAB? It is not a few throw away questions.
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What should we take that to mean?  

As for me needing mental help, why don't you read your friend Kender's post about your E-Friend.  


And Kender:  Sorry.  I believe in something called "personal responsibility".  A few nightmares about a bad day at work, doesn't make you incapable of cutting a lawn or cleaning a hotel room  - conveniently allowing your surf the webs all day bitching about the fair tax (although - it is interesting that he would have opinions on taxes, seeing as those on SSI/SSD generally don't pay any taxes).  

And don't try the "Well it's just like he's on Kidney dialysis" line.  Night sweats aren't really in the same category with Kidney failure.  If you're mentally well enough to use a mouse, you're mentally well enough enough to get a job with the rest of us - ya know - contribute something to society.  


As a matter of fact, weren't you just &lt;a href="http://kendersmusings.blogspot.com/2008/01/there-is-no-housing-crises-rant.html"&gt;lecturing people&lt;/a&gt; about personal responsibility?  Have you lectured your best e-friend about it as well?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, let&#8217;s review &#8211; In the midst of being falling down the logic pit on your &#8220;WHY THE BIG DOG WHO DROVE A TRUCK IN THE MILITARY DOESN&#8217;T WANT ANY QUEERS IN THE MILITARY&#8221; post &#8211; having already admitted that there are plenty of risk groups and without any explanation as to why you single out gay folks (though, I&#8217;m sure given an agreeable audience &#8211; you&#8217;d go further):</p>
<p><i><br />
However, those in poverty are not likely to pass the tests to get in the service because many never finish school. There is an educational requirement.<br />
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Have you ever taken the ASVAB? It is not a few throw away questions.<br />
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<p>What should we take that to mean?  </p>
<p>As for me needing mental help, why don&#8217;t you read your friend Kender&#8217;s post about your E-Friend.  </p>
<p>And Kender:  Sorry.  I believe in something called &#8220;personal responsibility&#8221;.  A few nightmares about a bad day at work, doesn&#8217;t make you incapable of cutting a lawn or cleaning a hotel room  &#8211; conveniently allowing your surf the webs all day bitching about the fair tax (although &#8211; it is interesting that he would have opinions on taxes, seeing as those on SSI/SSD generally don&#8217;t pay any taxes).  </p>
<p>And don&#8217;t try the &#8220;Well it&#8217;s just like he&#8217;s on Kidney dialysis&#8221; line.  Night sweats aren&#8217;t really in the same category with Kidney failure.  If you&#8217;re mentally well enough to use a mouse, you&#8217;re mentally well enough enough to get a job with the rest of us &#8211; ya know &#8211; contribute something to society.  </p>
<p>As a matter of fact, weren&#8217;t you just <a href="http://kendersmusings.blogspot.com/2008/01/there-is-no-housing-crises-rant.html">lecturing people</a> about personal responsibility?  Have you lectured your best e-friend about it as well?</p>
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		<title>By: Big Dog</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/01/12/big-dog-lies-about-the-constitution/#comment-17385</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan, I never said this:
That “impoverished people can’t make it into the military because poor people aren’t very smart and the ASVAB is hard”?

You put quotes around words I did not say.  When we discussed many aspects of the military I said that many of the poor do not finish school and that it would be hard for them to pass the entrance exam.  I also indicated that there was an educational standard for entrance.  Quite a bit difference than what you say.

I also never said that I was going to overthrow the government.  I have said that we had a revolution in the past and that if things kept on their current course we could have another.   I have said that everyone in Congress needs to be replaced but I mean by using the election process.

Some people in society need help.  Dan you just need mental help as does Meathead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan, I never said this:<br />
That “impoverished people can’t make it into the military because poor people aren’t very smart and the ASVAB is hard”?</p>
<p>You put quotes around words I did not say.  When we discussed many aspects of the military I said that many of the poor do not finish school and that it would be hard for them to pass the entrance exam.  I also indicated that there was an educational standard for entrance.  Quite a bit difference than what you say.</p>
<p>I also never said that I was going to overthrow the government.  I have said that we had a revolution in the past and that if things kept on their current course we could have another.   I have said that everyone in Congress needs to be replaced but I mean by using the election process.</p>
<p>Some people in society need help.  Dan you just need mental help as does Meathead.</p>
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		<title>By: meatbrain</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/01/12/big-dog-lies-about-the-constitution/#comment-17382</link>
		<dc:creator>meatbrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bq. Show me where the COnstitution says if you are born here you are a citizen using those exact words in that exact order, like Obama said it does.

Obama wasn't quoting the Constitution, asswipe. Your accusation against him is just another of your pathetically transparent lies.</description>
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<p>Show me where the COnstitution says if you are born here you are a citizen using those exact words in that exact order, like Obama said it does.</p>
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<p>Obama wasn&#8217;t quoting the Constitution, asswipe. Your accusation against him is just another of your pathetically transparent lies.</p>
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		<title>By: kender</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/01/12/big-dog-lies-about-the-constitution/#comment-17374</link>
		<dc:creator>kender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;img src='/images/kendermonkey100x100.jpg' width='100' height='100' class='floatleft'/&gt; depends dan....if the individual in question has legitimate issues with anxiety and anger issues from being involved in a workplace shooting then I can see the need for assistance....what do you think of dialysis patients that work enough to keep their insurance intact but can't take a promotion or a better paying job because their copay would far outstrip their income?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src='/images/kendermonkey100x100.jpg' width='100' height='100' class='floatleft'/> depends dan&#8230;.if the individual in question has legitimate issues with anxiety and anger issues from being involved in a workplace shooting then I can see the need for assistance&#8230;.what do you think of dialysis patients that work enough to keep their insurance intact but can&#8217;t take a promotion or a better paying job because their copay would far outstrip their income?</p>
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		<title>By: dan l</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/01/12/big-dog-lies-about-the-constitution/#comment-17371</link>
		<dc:creator>dan l</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah.  Good one, shorty. 


Speaking of creepy, I heard that there's a welfare recipient conservative blogger who needed a friend to be his best man for his wedding.  Since, due to obvious mental issues, he had no real friends - he scooped some miniaturized troll off the webz whom he had never met before to be the best man at his wedding.  Ever heard that one?


Tangent to that:  Don't you feel even a little bit hypocritical as a conservative that you make appearances at such events knowing full well that the individual it's in honor of is a leech off social services whilst simultaneously complaining about others who do the same?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah.  Good one, shorty. </p>
<p>Speaking of creepy, I heard that there&#8217;s a welfare recipient conservative blogger who needed a friend to be his best man for his wedding.  Since, due to obvious mental issues, he had no real friends &#8211; he scooped some miniaturized troll off the webz whom he had never met before to be the best man at his wedding.  Ever heard that one?</p>
<p>Tangent to that:  Don&#8217;t you feel even a little bit hypocritical as a conservative that you make appearances at such events knowing full well that the individual it&#8217;s in honor of is a leech off social services whilst simultaneously complaining about others who do the same?</p>
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		<title>By: kender</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/01/12/big-dog-lies-about-the-constitution/#comment-17369</link>
		<dc:creator>kender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;img src='/images/kendermonkey100x100.jpg' width='100' height='100' class='floatleft'/&gt; dan, the reason the emails meaty sends are legally questionable is because of the pictures enclosed in the emails....I wonder.....are those his kids or the ones that live down the block? and did he use a telephoto lens or was he actually standing next to the pool?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src='/images/kendermonkey100x100.jpg' width='100' height='100' class='floatleft'/> dan, the reason the emails meaty sends are legally questionable is because of the pictures enclosed in the emails&#8230;.I wonder&#8230;..are those his kids or the ones that live down the block? and did he use a telephoto lens or was he actually standing next to the pool?</p>
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		<title>By: dan l</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/01/12/big-dog-lies-about-the-constitution/#comment-17367</link>
		<dc:creator>dan l</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 18:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bigdog:  I am a little surprised about something.  Given your vast amount of alleged military service, your constant threats to overthrow the government are quite strange.  Wouldn't you agree?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bigdog:  I am a little surprised about something.  Given your vast amount of alleged military service, your constant threats to overthrow the government are quite strange.  Wouldn&#8217;t you agree?</p>
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		<title>By: dan l</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/01/12/big-dog-lies-about-the-constitution/#comment-17361</link>
		<dc:creator>dan l</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 18:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meatbrain:  You made fun of me.  I'm going to sue you for slander!!!</description>
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		<title>By: dan l</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/01/12/big-dog-lies-about-the-constitution/#comment-17360</link>
		<dc:creator>dan l</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 18:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which claim are you referring to Big Pup?  


That "impoverished people can't make it into the military because poor people aren't very smart and the ASVAB is hard"?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which claim are you referring to Big Pup?  </p>
<p>That &#8220;impoverished people can&#8217;t make it into the military because poor people aren&#8217;t very smart and the ASVAB is hard&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Big Dog</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2008/01/12/big-dog-lies-about-the-constitution/#comment-17355</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 15:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan, I never made such a claim.  You have distorted the truth again.

Meatbrain, the 14th does not say if you are born here you are a citizen.  There is a qualifier in between which means that if that is not met then it is not so.

There is no debate about what it means.  The guys who wrote it specifically said what it means.  Only idiots fail to read and comprehend that.

Show me where the COnstitution says if you are born here you are a citizen using those exact words in that exact order, like Obama said it does.

Let me help you:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, &lt;strong&gt;and subject to the jurisdiction thereof&lt;/strong&gt;, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

AND means you have to meet that qualifier (the same one used in many laws of that time period).  If you are not subject to the jurisdiction thereof (subject of America, not to some other country) you are not a citizen no matter where you are born.

I believe you lied meaty.  I said that the 14th does not say if you are born here you are a citizen and it does not say that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan, I never made such a claim.  You have distorted the truth again.</p>
<p>Meatbrain, the 14th does not say if you are born here you are a citizen.  There is a qualifier in between which means that if that is not met then it is not so.</p>
<p>There is no debate about what it means.  The guys who wrote it specifically said what it means.  Only idiots fail to read and comprehend that.</p>
<p>Show me where the COnstitution says if you are born here you are a citizen using those exact words in that exact order, like Obama said it does.</p>
<p>Let me help you:</p>
<p>All persons born or naturalized in the United States, <strong>and subject to the jurisdiction thereof</strong>, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.</p>
<p>AND means you have to meet that qualifier (the same one used in many laws of that time period).  If you are not subject to the jurisdiction thereof (subject of America, not to some other country) you are not a citizen no matter where you are born.</p>
<p>I believe you lied meaty.  I said that the 14th does not say if you are born here you are a citizen and it does not say that.</p>
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		<title>By: meatbrain</title>
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		<dc:creator>meatbrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 15:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Specify, PW. What, exactly, have I sidestepped?</description>
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