Big Dog lies about the Constitution

what part of this don’t you get meaty?

“and subject to the jurisdiction thereof”

Are illegal aliens subject to our laws? Or the laws of the country in which they are a citizen?

Tell you what Meaty. You go look at the comments section of the post and you follow all the links and you read what the people who wrote the amendment said about what it means.

Then you call them liars because they specifically state what I said.

Anyone can read the document and misinterpret it but it takes a real dumbass not to research and see what the AUTHORS of it said.

You do that and then get back to me.

I will expect your apology for lying about me.

Big Dog is lying. It’s just that simple. Too bad he chooses to lie about matters that are so very easy to check.

Too bad you did not check a little further than misreading the Constitution.

You look at the links and you read what they said about what they wrote and then see if I am still the liar.

You don’t have the balls to see the truth.

Stinking feet-isn’t interested in what anyone has to say except himself, because he’s a bloviating leftard.

And he also uses interesting terms which describe himself-such as how he described Misha in a post or so below this one: a “hatemongering, potty-mouth borderline psychotic”.

Facts mean little to meatbrain, the “hatemongering, potty-mouth borderline psychotic”.

meatbrain doesn’t have any balls, that is the truth! That’s why his teeth are brown and he has a really high voice!

Obviously, you are wrong. It is not what I think it means, it is what they said it meant. Here is a piece from research on it:

so they have looked to the original Senate debate over the Fourteenth Amendment to determine its meaning. They conclude that the authors of the Fourteenth Amendment did NOT want to grant citizenship to every person who happened to be born on U.S. soil.

The jurisdiction requirement was added to the original draft of the Fourteenth Amendment by the Senate after a lengthy and acrimonious debate. In fact, Senator Jacob Merritt Howard of Michigan proposed the addition of the phrase specifically because he wanted to make clear that the simple accident of birth in the United States was not sufficient to justify citizenship. Sen. Howard noted that the jurisdiction requirement is «simply declaratory of what I regard as the law of the land already.» Sen. Howard said that «this will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.»

Sen. Reverdy Johnson of Maryland, who was the only Democrat to participate in the Senate debate, was even more explicit about the meaning of the jurisdiction requirement: «[A]ll persons born in the United States and not subject to some foreign Power—for that, no doubt, is the meaning of the committee who have brought the matter before—shall be considered as citizens of the United States.» Sen. Johnson’s reading of the jurisdiction requirement also is consistent with our naturalization requirements. Since at least 1795, federal laws governing naturalization have required aliens to renounce all allegiance to any foreign power and to support the U.S. Constitution. Such allegiance was never assumed simply because the alien was residing in the United States; instead an affirmative oath was required.

So it is not what I think it means, it is what they wrote that it meant. When will you admit that you were wrong?

There are many other references on what it means and whay it was written a certain way.

Anyone who reads this stuff, one of meatheads two readers, be sure to read the comments in the original post. There are plenty of links and references that show I hit it on the head and that Meathead is incapable of checking facts.

Run away little meathead, run away.

You screwed up and can’t read so you are now a liar. Tsk, tsk, too bad you didn’t read a little more about it.

You are a liar and a coward who will not face the truth.

......lulz…....

Coming from the guy who claims his rocket scientist caliber intellect is backed up by his “getting into the military”.

meaty is a liar that sends me legally questionable emails…......meaty when are you going to admit you are a lair and thank me for finding your theme song?

Legally questionable emails?

Meaty, how many times have these po-dunkers threatened to sue you implicitly or explicitly? If the answer is 3, you are a master of the lulz.

And yet meathead sidesteps yet again.

Nice going libtard

Dan, I never made such a claim. You have distorted the truth again.

Meatbrain, the 14th does not say if you are born here you are a citizen. There is a qualifier in between which means that if that is not met then it is not so.

There is no debate about what it means. The guys who wrote it specifically said what it means. Only idiots fail to read and comprehend that.

Show me where the COnstitution says if you are born here you are a citizen using those exact words in that exact order, like Obama said it does.

Let me help you:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

AND means you have to meet that qualifier (the same one used in many laws of that time period). If you are not subject to the jurisdiction thereof (subject of America, not to some other country) you are not a citizen no matter where you are born.

I believe you lied meaty. I said that the 14th does not say if you are born here you are a citizen and it does not say that.

Which claim are you referring to Big Pup?

That “impoverished people can’t make it into the military because poor people aren’t very smart and the ASVAB is hard”?

Meatbrain: You made fun of me. I’m going to sue you for slander!!!

Bigdog: I am a little surprised about something. Given your vast amount of alleged military service, your constant threats to overthrow the government are quite strange. Wouldn’t you agree?

dan, the reason the emails meaty sends are legally questionable is because of the pictures enclosed in the emails….I wonder…..are those his kids or the ones that live down the block? and did he use a telephoto lens or was he actually standing next to the pool?

Yeah. Good one, shorty.

Speaking of creepy, I heard that there’s a welfare recipient conservative blogger who needed a friend to be his best man for his wedding. Since, due to obvious mental issues, he had no real friends – he scooped some miniaturized troll off the webz whom he had never met before to be the best man at his wedding. Ever heard that one?

Tangent to that: Don’t you feel even a little bit hypocritical as a conservative that you make appearances at such events knowing full well that the individual it’s in honor of is a leech off social services whilst simultaneously complaining about others who do the same?

depends dan….if the individual in question has legitimate issues with anxiety and anger issues from being involved in a workplace shooting then I can see the need for assistance….what do you think of dialysis patients that work enough to keep their insurance intact but can’t take a promotion or a better paying job because their copay would far outstrip their income?

Dan, I never said this:
That “impoverished people can’t make it into the military because poor people aren’t very smart and the ASVAB is hard”?

You put quotes around words I did not say. When we discussed many aspects of the military I said that many of the poor do not finish school and that it would be hard for them to pass the entrance exam. I also indicated that there was an educational standard for entrance. Quite a bit difference than what you say.

I also never said that I was going to overthrow the government. I have said that we had a revolution in the past and that if things kept on their current course we could have another. I have said that everyone in Congress needs to be replaced but I mean by using the election process.

Some people in society need help. Dan you just need mental help as does Meathead.

Ok, let’s review – In the midst of being falling down the logic pit on your “WHY THE BIG DOG WHO DROVE A TRUCK IN THE MILITARY DOESN’T WANT ANY QUEERS IN THE MILITARY” post – having already admitted that there are plenty of risk groups and without any explanation as to why you single out gay folks (though, I’m sure given an agreeable audience – you’d go further):

However, those in poverty are not likely to pass the tests to get in the service because many never finish school. There is an educational requirement.

Have you ever taken the ASVAB? It is not a few throw away questions.

What should we take that to mean?

As for me needing mental help, why don’t you read your friend Kender’s post about your E-Friend.

And Kender: Sorry. I believe in something called “personal responsibility”. A few nightmares about a bad day at work, doesn’t make you incapable of cutting a lawn or cleaning a hotel room – conveniently allowing your surf the webs all day bitching about the fair tax (although – it is interesting that he would have opinions on taxes, seeing as those on SSI/SSD generally don’t pay any taxes).

And don’t try the “Well it’s just like he’s on Kidney dialysis” line. Night sweats aren’t really in the same category with Kidney failure. If you’re mentally well enough to use a mouse, you’re mentally well enough enough to get a job with the rest of us – ya know – contribute something to society.

As a matter of fact, weren’t you just lecturing people about personal responsibility? Have you lectured your best e-friend about it as well?

You deleted my response to Dan. I thoght you hated when people did things like that.

I guess you don’t want any more comments here.

DO AS I SAY BUT NOT AS I DO!!!

Come on, BD, libtards and libtards posing as ‘straight conservative males’ – such as Jeb Eddy and Clinton’s plants- don’t apply the same rules to us as they do to themselves – that would make them rational reasonable human beings.

I give him the benefit of the doubt on this one because I witnessed the malfunction. It had something to do with a url I tried to link.

I am not going back and screw with putting comments back up