Comments on: Why does Justin Higgins keep lying? http://thinkingmeat.net/2007/07/27/why-does-justin-higgins-keep-lying/ It's meat! And it thinks! Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:58:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: faulke http://thinkingmeat.net/2007/07/27/why-does-justin-higgins-keep-lying/#comment-11622 faulke Thu, 02 Aug 2007 23:10:29 +0000 http://thinkingmeat.net/2007/07/27/why-does-justin-higgins-keep-lying/#comment-11622 that said civilian deaths were down* The sectarian graph was to defend his second point, which was apparently addressed because he was being attacked on that too (specuation) that said civilian deaths were down* The sectarian graph was to defend his second point, which was apparently addressed because he was being attacked on that too (specuation)

]]> By: faulke http://thinkingmeat.net/2007/07/27/why-does-justin-higgins-keep-lying/#comment-11621 faulke Thu, 02 Aug 2007 23:07:54 +0000 http://thinkingmeat.net/2007/07/27/why-does-justin-higgins-keep-lying/#comment-11621 no, Justin quoted an article (the same one as Joy) that said that civilian deaths were done, which was more recent than your graph (which only went til may. no, Justin quoted an article (the same one as Joy) that said that civilian deaths were done, which was more recent than your graph (which only went til may.

]]> By: meatbrain http://thinkingmeat.net/2007/07/27/why-does-justin-higgins-keep-lying/#comment-11599 meatbrain Thu, 02 Aug 2007 08:52:20 +0000 http://thinkingmeat.net/2007/07/27/why-does-justin-higgins-keep-lying/#comment-11599 Justin selectively lifted the sectarian murders graph from the Pentagon report, and ignored the graph on total civilian deaths because it contradicts his claims. Justin selectively lifted the sectarian murders graph from the Pentagon report, and ignored the graph on total civilian deaths because it contradicts his claims.

]]> By: faulke http://thinkingmeat.net/2007/07/27/why-does-justin-higgins-keep-lying/#comment-11592 faulke Thu, 02 Aug 2007 06:17:03 +0000 http://thinkingmeat.net/2007/07/27/why-does-justin-higgins-keep-lying/#comment-11592 No, I'm referring to his second post, the one you also chose to quote, and you know that. He obviously was clarifying. No, I’m referring to his second post, the one you also chose to quote, and you know that. He obviously was clarifying.

]]> By: meatbrain http://thinkingmeat.net/2007/07/27/why-does-justin-higgins-keep-lying/#comment-11451 meatbrain Tue, 31 Jul 2007 01:39:49 +0000 http://thinkingmeat.net/2007/07/27/why-does-justin-higgins-keep-lying/#comment-11451 bq. i believe he quoted the same article as “joy” did above in the article before the graph. You're referring to his article ""If We Switched Places in History"":http://rightontheright.com/node/2275, yes? Show me the quote in that article that points to the article Joy cited.

i believe he quoted the same article as “joy” did above in the article before the graph.

You’re referring to his article "If We Switched Places in History", yes? Show me the quote in that article that points to the article Joy cited.

]]> By: faulke http://thinkingmeat.net/2007/07/27/why-does-justin-higgins-keep-lying/#comment-11449 faulke Tue, 31 Jul 2007 01:27:56 +0000 http://thinkingmeat.net/2007/07/27/why-does-justin-higgins-keep-lying/#comment-11449 i believe he quoted the same article as "joy" did above in the article before the graph. the graph was to defend his second point (that sectarian violence was down). he says he's defending his claim<strong>s</strong>. also today, the new york times put out an editorial citing casualties as down, which justin reported on. iraqi casualties are down, and you're being a hypocrite by citing numbers then bashing him for doing so. his second post clarified his post. where's your clarification? i believe he quoted the same article as “joy” did above in the article before the graph. the graph was to defend his second point (that sectarian violence was down). he says he’s defending his claims. also today, the new york times put out an editorial citing casualties as down, which justin reported on. iraqi casualties are down, and you’re being a hypocrite by citing numbers then bashing him for doing so. his second post clarified his post. where’s your clarification?

]]> By: meatbrain http://thinkingmeat.net/2007/07/27/why-does-justin-higgins-keep-lying/#comment-11435 meatbrain Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:49:13 +0000 http://thinkingmeat.net/2007/07/27/why-does-justin-higgins-keep-lying/#comment-11435 Justin cited no numbers whatsoever in his original post. He simply claimed that "Iraqi casualties are down" as though it were a matter of accepted fact. His second post is a deliberate exercise in mendacity, as he cites only the graph on deaths due to sectarian violence, while ignoring the figures on total Iraqi civilian casualties. Justin cited no numbers whatsoever in his original post. He simply claimed that “Iraqi casualties are down” as though it were a matter of accepted fact.

His second post is a deliberate exercise in mendacity, as he cites only the graph on deaths due to sectarian violence, while ignoring the figures on total Iraqi civilian casualties.

]]> By: faulke http://thinkingmeat.net/2007/07/27/why-does-justin-higgins-keep-lying/#comment-11416 faulke Sun, 29 Jul 2007 22:55:29 +0000 http://thinkingmeat.net/2007/07/27/why-does-justin-higgins-keep-lying/#comment-11416 justin cited some ministry numbers to back up his claim. i don't get how you can attack him for citing numbers and say "we can't trust those numbers" but to disprove him, you cite your own numbers. are the numbers trustworthy or not? justin makes it clear the second graph is to defend his other point that sectarian murders are down. two seperate points. read for comprehension? justin cited some ministry numbers to back up his claim. i don’t get how you can attack him for citing numbers and say “we can’t trust those numbers” but to disprove him, you cite your own numbers. are the numbers trustworthy or not? justin makes it clear the second graph is to defend his other point that sectarian murders are down. two seperate points. read for comprehension?

]]> By: kender http://thinkingmeat.net/2007/07/27/why-does-justin-higgins-keep-lying/#comment-11415 kender Sun, 29 Jul 2007 21:12:03 +0000 http://thinkingmeat.net/2007/07/27/why-does-justin-higgins-keep-lying/#comment-11415 <img src='/images/kendermonkey100x100.jpg' width='100' height='100' class='floatleft'/> oh I see.....some ministry releases numbers and we can't possibly trust those numbers, but boston.com is some sort of authority regarding the non-authority of the iraqi government ministries.....got it. Go wring out your drool bib. oh I see…..some ministry releases numbers and we can’t possibly trust those numbers, but boston.com is some sort of authority regarding the non-authority of the iraqi government ministries…..got it.

Go wring out your drool bib.

]]> By: meatbrain http://thinkingmeat.net/2007/07/27/why-does-justin-higgins-keep-lying/#comment-11404 meatbrain Sun, 29 Jul 2007 10:52:57 +0000 http://thinkingmeat.net/2007/07/27/why-does-justin-higgins-keep-lying/#comment-11404 The Boston.com report "states outright that":http://www.boston.com/news/world/middleeast/articles/2007/07/02/steep_drop_in_civilian_deaths_reported_in_iraq/... bq. The accuracy of civilian death figures in Iraq has been in doubt since the start of the conflict and may reflect only a portion of the casualties nationwide. The fact remains that the Iraqi government, regardless of the actions of individual ministries, has stopped releasing casualty figures. Whatever casualty statistics the individual ministries may be releasing, they are doing so in direct opposition to the policy of the central government. The accuracy of any figures that may be released by individual ministries remains in serious doubt. There is simply no reliable data on which to base a claim that civilian casualties have decreased. The Boston.com report states outright that...

The accuracy of civilian death figures in Iraq has been in doubt since the start of the conflict and may reflect only a portion of the casualties nationwide.

The fact remains that the Iraqi government, regardless of the actions of individual ministries, has stopped releasing casualty figures. Whatever casualty statistics the individual ministries may be releasing, they are doing so in direct opposition to the policy of the central government. The accuracy of any figures that may be released by individual ministries remains in serious doubt.

There is simply no reliable data on which to base a claim that civilian casualties have decreased.

]]> By: kender http://thinkingmeat.net/2007/07/27/why-does-justin-higgins-keep-lying/#comment-11398 kender Sun, 29 Jul 2007 04:00:08 +0000 http://thinkingmeat.net/2007/07/27/why-does-justin-higgins-keep-lying/#comment-11398 <img src='/images/kendermonkey100x100.jpg' width='100' height='100' class='floatleft'/> nonono li bitch....you said the government stopped releasing casualty figures but then the ministries release them and I asked if thowe were part of the government. try to follow along here drool master M......the ministry of whatever releases some figure denoting something or other....the ministry is a part of the government.....THEREFORE the government has released teh figures. What part of that train of logic eludes you? (fuck you get stupider every damned day...go have a hot pocket) nonono li bitch….you said the government stopped releasing casualty figures but then the ministries release them and I asked if thowe were part of the government.

try to follow along here drool master M…...the ministry of whatever releases some figure denoting something or other….the ministry is a part of the government…..THEREFORE the government has released teh figures.

What part of that train of logic eludes you?

(fuck you get stupider every damned day…go have a hot pocket)

]]> By: kender http://thinkingmeat.net/2007/07/27/why-does-justin-higgins-keep-lying/#comment-11397 kender Sun, 29 Jul 2007 03:57:01 +0000 http://thinkingmeat.net/2007/07/27/why-does-justin-higgins-keep-lying/#comment-11397 <img src='/images/kendermonkey100x100.jpg' width='100' height='100' class='floatleft'/> what about this meaty? http://www.boston.com/news/world/middleeast/articles/2007/07/02/steep_drop_in_civilian_deaths_reported_in_iraq/ what about this meaty?

http://www.boston.com/news/world/middleeast/articles/2007/07/02/steep_drop_in_civilian_deaths_reported_in_iraq/

]]> By: meatbrain http://thinkingmeat.net/2007/07/27/why-does-justin-higgins-keep-lying/#comment-11396 meatbrain Sun, 29 Jul 2007 03:50:31 +0000 http://thinkingmeat.net/2007/07/27/why-does-justin-higgins-keep-lying/#comment-11396 Kender is once again demonstrating the severe handicap he suffers from (well, one of them, anyway) -- his inability to read for comprehension. Nowhere have I stated that "the ministries of interior, defence and health are not part of the iraqi government". What I did point out is that we know that the Iraqi government stopped releasing civilian casualty figures some months ago. A single unconfirmed newspaper report is not sufficient evidence on which to conclude that this policy has been reversed, nor that the figures in that news report are complete. Kender is once again demonstrating the severe handicap he suffers from (well, one of them, anyway) — his inability to read for comprehension. Nowhere have I stated that “the ministries of interior, defence and health are not part of the iraqi government”.

What I did point out is that we know that the Iraqi government stopped releasing civilian casualty figures some months ago. A single unconfirmed newspaper report is not sufficient evidence on which to conclude that this policy has been reversed, nor that the figures in that news report are complete.

]]> By: kender http://thinkingmeat.net/2007/07/27/why-does-justin-higgins-keep-lying/#comment-11395 kender Sun, 29 Jul 2007 03:44:31 +0000 http://thinkingmeat.net/2007/07/27/why-does-justin-higgins-keep-lying/#comment-11395 <img src='/images/kendermonkey100x100.jpg' width='100' height='100' class='floatleft'/> so the ministries of interior, defence and health are not part of the iraqi government? so the ministries of interior, defence and health are not part of the iraqi government?

]]> By: meatbrain http://thinkingmeat.net/2007/07/27/why-does-justin-higgins-keep-lying/#comment-11394 meatbrain Sun, 29 Jul 2007 03:37:32 +0000 http://thinkingmeat.net/2007/07/27/why-does-justin-higgins-keep-lying/#comment-11394 The Iraqi government "stopped releasing casualty figures some months ago":http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-civilians12jun12,0,6674665.story?coll=la-home-center. Given the fragmented and sectarian nature of the current Iraqi regime, any figures released by individual ministries would have to be considered suspect. Cite the original documents, please. The Iraqi government stopped releasing casualty figures some months ago. Given the fragmented and sectarian nature of the current Iraqi regime, any figures released by individual ministries would have to be considered suspect.

Cite the original documents, please.

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