Why does Justin Higgins keep lying?

Come on man, who is lying. The caption tells the tale. When did the surge start, hmm? Be honest about things if possible.

Well, golly, what does the report say? It refers to the surge as “Operation Fardh al-Qanoon”, and according to the graph, that started on 10 February 2007.

You could have read that for yourself. Guess it was just too much trouble.

It’s amazing what people will believe, really. It seems like noone wants to hear the truth, because it’s just too hard to take.
I imagine that if this happened in any other country, there would be hell to pay.

Not terribly long ago in I believe France there were riots because someone high up in government just lied. But here in the US, lies are just a day to day thing.

Americans really need to stand up, and take back their government, because it’s not going to be given back on its own.

If there’s one unassailable fact about right-wingers who blog, it’s that they’re shamelessly dishonest. Most of them are too stupid, lazy or confused to distingush truth from fiction, but even those who aren’t are so ideologically rigid that they lie every time it allows them to rail against liberals or the Dmocratic Party and anything typically associated with these (e.g., evolution, stem-cell research, climate change, the stance on the war).

Look at al of the merry assholes we’re mutually familiar with: Gribbit, Cao, Stop the ACLU’s slate of surreally halfwitted goons, Bradfield, Kender, and so on. Not only does every one of them lie, they both cop to and amplify this dishonesty by deleting comments from those with the temerity to challenge these lies. I’ve never deleted a single comment from my blog and I understand that no matter how contentious my posts may be, I’ll have no reason to play games as long as I don’t lie.

Idiots like Gribbit and that nastyass redhead you’ve fought with before, Kit something, don’t use the Internet as a means of exchanging ideas. They use it as a place to vent bullshit while seeking out like-minded lairs so as to ease the cognitive dissonance lying creates even in lifelong liars and assholes, since these people usually retain a few shreds of the conscience they may havebeen born with. They build Web sites that serve as shrines to their lies, using link exchanges and filtered input as a surrogate for facts, those oftenpesky things the rest of the world uses to make and support its points.

I don’t get angry at all when these dildos delete my comments, because for one thing I expect it and have a mirror handy for shaming purposes and for another all this does is serve as a (somewhat) tacit admission of frustration and mental incompetence. Anything that makes these twits fume and stamp their misshapen little hooves is enough to bring a smile to my melon, because they’re dirtbags and should be felating Jesus every morning in gratitude for being able to retainvoting priviliges despite the demonstrable absence of purposeful neural activity.

Facts: Libtards like yourself have a tendency to dwell on the difficulties without recognizing the progress. Was Justin lying, or is his sources different than yours? I mean, if you continue to get your info at Marxist Central, of course yours is different. The libs only tell you what benefits their cause. They never spat the truth.

My post documents the source of the data about Iraqi civilian deaths. What was that source, and why would you classify it as ‘Marxist Central’?

Was justin lying when he told me you scream for Mt. Dew?

While I am here let me ask you meaty…what would you do about Iraq and what would be the result of your plan?

meaty, I think you are twisting things, or at least being disingenuous. On page 22 of 51 in that report shows sectarian violence dropping significantly since february…when the surge started.

Page 25 of 51 shows weapons caches found by our guys rising since the surge began.

The graph on 26 of 51 shows most of teh violence (78%) being concentrated in the lidwestern part of iraq, where 37% of the population is located.

and your data only goes to may…in case you haven’t poked your head out of your basement batty cave lately it is now july, almost august….you are two months behind

And Justin’s claim was, in his exact words:

Iraqi casualties are down…

That claim is patently false. Our poo-flinging friend can quote as many other statistics as he likes — the fact remains that Justin Higgins is a liar.

“Was justin lying when he told me you scream for Mt. Dew? While I am here let me ask you meaty…what would you do about Iraq and what would be the result of your plan?” – Kender

That’s kind-of a dumb question, Kender. We already know what he/she/it would do. They’d get real personal by introducing personal insults and sometimes outright slander into the field of public discourse and call it “open discussion.” All the while, they’ll have their heads in the sand like ostriches and continue to tell themselves that “this isn’t happening, this isn’t happening.” Anyone who breaks from this field of view and sees what’s going on over the horizon will naturally be branded a liar – and a fat liar at that.

It’s hard for someone like Justin to veil his personal feelings about these people in his commentary but it rarely (if ever) reaches lows like this.

With specific regard to the reduced casualties of the surge, these great military minds on the left seem to overlook the fact that when mobilized, action ensues and a “surge” in military activity increases the likelihood and numbers of casualties – particularly when it actively involves incursions into the strongholds of a fanatical and well-armed enemy.

With specific regard to the reduced casualties of the surge, these great military minds on the left seem to overlook the fact that when mobilized, action ensues and a “surge” in military activity increases the likelihood and numbers of casualties – particularly when it actively involves incursions into the strongholds of a fanatical and well-armed enemy.

Uh huh. And what was Justin’s claim?

Iraqi casualties are down…

What was that again?

Iraqi casualties are down…

And what do the facts tell us? That casualties are, in fact, up.

Odd, isn’t it, how all the protestations of the poo-flingers in this world won’t change the facts…

Iraqi Casualties Are Down

The number of civilians killed in Iraq fell sharply in June to the lowest monthly total since a US-backed security clampdown was launched in February, new figure from the Iraqi government figures showed.

The data, obtained from the ministries of interior, defence and health, showed 1227 civilians died violently in June, a 36 per cent drop from May.

The Iraqi government stopped releasing casualty figures some months ago. Given the fragmented and sectarian nature of the current Iraqi regime, any figures released by individual ministries would have to be considered suspect.

Cite the original documents, please.

so the ministries of interior, defence and health are not part of the iraqi government?

Kender is once again demonstrating the severe handicap he suffers from (well, one of them, anyway) — his inability to read for comprehension. Nowhere have I stated that “the ministries of interior, defence and health are not part of the iraqi government”.

What I did point out is that we know that the Iraqi government stopped releasing civilian casualty figures some months ago. A single unconfirmed newspaper report is not sufficient evidence on which to conclude that this policy has been reversed, nor that the figures in that news report are complete.

what about this meaty?

http://www.boston.com/news/world/middleeast/articles/2007/07/02/steep_drop_in_civilian_deaths_reported_in_iraq/

nonono li bitch….you said the government stopped releasing casualty figures but then the ministries release them and I asked if thowe were part of the government.

try to follow along here drool master M…...the ministry of whatever releases some figure denoting something or other….the ministry is a part of the government…..THEREFORE the government has released teh figures.

What part of that train of logic eludes you?

(fuck you get stupider every damned day…go have a hot pocket)

The Boston.com report states outright that...

The accuracy of civilian death figures in Iraq has been in doubt since the start of the conflict and may reflect only a portion of the casualties nationwide.

The fact remains that the Iraqi government, regardless of the actions of individual ministries, has stopped releasing casualty figures. Whatever casualty statistics the individual ministries may be releasing, they are doing so in direct opposition to the policy of the central government. The accuracy of any figures that may be released by individual ministries remains in serious doubt.

There is simply no reliable data on which to base a claim that civilian casualties have decreased.

oh I see…..some ministry releases numbers and we can’t possibly trust those numbers, but boston.com is some sort of authority regarding the non-authority of the iraqi government ministries…..got it.

Go wring out your drool bib.

justin cited some ministry numbers to back up his claim. i don’t get how you can attack him for citing numbers and say “we can’t trust those numbers” but to disprove him, you cite your own numbers. are the numbers trustworthy or not? justin makes it clear the second graph is to defend his other point that sectarian murders are down. two seperate points. read for comprehension?

Justin cited no numbers whatsoever in his original post. He simply claimed that “Iraqi casualties are down” as though it were a matter of accepted fact.

His second post is a deliberate exercise in mendacity, as he cites only the graph on deaths due to sectarian violence, while ignoring the figures on total Iraqi civilian casualties.

i believe he quoted the same article as “joy” did above in the article before the graph. the graph was to defend his second point (that sectarian violence was down). he says he’s defending his claims. also today, the new york times put out an editorial citing casualties as down, which justin reported on. iraqi casualties are down, and you’re being a hypocrite by citing numbers then bashing him for doing so. his second post clarified his post. where’s your clarification?

i believe he quoted the same article as “joy” did above in the article before the graph.

You’re referring to his article "If We Switched Places in History", yes? Show me the quote in that article that points to the article Joy cited.

No, I’m referring to his second post, the one you also chose to quote, and you know that. He obviously was clarifying.

Justin selectively lifted the sectarian murders graph from the Pentagon report, and ignored the graph on total civilian deaths because it contradicts his claims.

no, Justin quoted an article (the same one as Joy) that said that civilian deaths were done, which was more recent than your graph (which only went til may.

that said civilian deaths were down* The sectarian graph was to defend his second point, which was apparently addressed because he was being attacked on that too (specuation)