Justin H. (aka ‘Real Teen’) Equates Patriotism with Murder

And your crusade against your betters continues unabated.

I know what it is…..it just occured to me.

You have one of those ” quixotic complexes”, don’t you?

doesn’t sound like murder to me…...define murder ($1.00)

No, Meat! It’s not MURDER, it’s JUSTICE. For the record, I’m pretty sure that justice is defined as “the bad guy sentenced to death.” So clearly, since that did not happen during the trial you can see how this is very different.

This is the bloodlust I was talking about. It’s amazing – so many of them do claim to be Christians. But if Christ existed and decided to actually come back, I think they’d surely be getting quite an earful.

Kender-

One of the main reasons I come back here multiple times a day is to see MB school you guys so thoroughly and to experience the tantrums thrown in response. Just thought you’d like to know that.

Moussaoui is just an attention whore now. Ignore him and he’ll go away. I don’t know about the rest of you, but I’ll have forgotten him in about two weeks.

While he’s in prison, I hope he gets some psychiatric help, because it’s pretty obvious that he has some mental problems. Seems like a schizophrenic to me. Anyway, I really don’t support executing the mentally ill, unlike a certain large Southern state.

I do advocated murder, and I believe in justice. Also, being a Christian, I do believe in justice. I believe it’s righteous anger, and I want him dead. I don’t care if that means him being soddomized with a broomstick in prison. He’s a terrorist bastard and he should die.

I do advocate**

Meat, I simply believe some things are righteous and other things aren’t. You might disagree with me, but I’m all for killing the man who could have helped prevent the deaths of 3,000 or so of our fellow Americans.

RealTeen-

Are you referring to our President (+administration) and the 2,400+ deaths that were the direct result of his poor decisions and planning?

(edited to fix formatting … meatbrain)

Why kill him and risk transforming him from a pathetic, delusional, incompetent, into a martyr? As it is, Moussaui is going to spend the rest of his days withering in silence, unable to make any impact on the world around and forever known as the pathetic, delusional, incompetent that he has already shown that he is.

In between the times he seems to be trying to save his own skin, Moussaoui actually seems to want to die the death of a martyr, which is being rightfully denied him. Let him rot, denied the reward he so desperately wants.

And as for “Real Teen,” get a damned grip, boy. Not preventing a crime is not a crime in and of itself and murder, by its very definition is an immoral act. Killing is only justifiable under certain, limited circumstances (imminent threat, etc).

Justice doesn’t mean do to them what they did to you (we don’t and should not automatically kill those who kill). It deals with what is fair. In the case of deluded nutbars who want to become martyrs, isn’t the most just solution to treat them as delusional (in a mental institution, for example) for the rest of their natural lives (denying them the martyrdom they so dearly want). Let him sit, separated from the attention and everything else he wants until he dies of natural causes (since suicides can’t be considered martyrs) forgotten by the world he wanted to make a mark on.

And for those who try to conflate being a (self-professed) Christian with being stubbornly in support of the death penalty, ask yourself how many people Christ (death penalty victim) executed or had executed on his behalf.

Robert, he intended to be the 20th highjacker. Stop using the damned Christian talking point, because that’s just your way of debating while avoiding the issue. If we kill Moussaoui he’s in Hell for an extra few years, which is exactly what I want.

Meatbrain, guess what? I’M ALLOWED TO HAVE AN OPINION without it applying to everyone in the world. I can advocate his murder without advocating all righteous murders, and your damn argument won’t stop me from doing so!

RealTeen- But he wasn’t the 20th hijacker, was he? Just a delusional incompetent who couldn’t manage to keep himself out of trouble long enough that he could be (if that was actually part of anybody but Moussaoui’s plan).

Your use of your supposed Christianity to justify your positions makes the fact that those positions contavene Christ’s own teachings, much less the better part of the content of the Bible very much a valid subject for debate. If you don’t want the so-called (by you) “Christian Talking Point,” stop trying to pretend that Christianity somehow justifies your positions. Till then, be prepared to have it thrown back in your face whenever you attempt to use the “I’m a Christian” get out of jail free card.

If you kill Moussaoui, you’re just giving him what he wants (at least half the time). YOU claim he’s in Hell for an extra few years, but what if, instead he gets his 72 virgins and goes to Heaven? Or what if, since he wasn’t actually the “20th hijacker,” and therefore didn’t actually kill anybody, he goes to one of the less unpleasant afterlife places (assuming you believe in them)? A truly just penalty, given his penchant for wanting attention and desire for martyrdom would be for him to be locked away and ignored for the rest of his natural life.

By Faith Robert, I know he’s going to Hell.

And, given that you seem to be fairly pig-ignorant about the tenets of what you claim is your faith (an all too common failing on the part of the fundamentalist set), do you really believe that this is a convincing argument for your position? Tell me again what Christ said about capital punishment. Or is that challenging you too much?

Killing someone who is not an imminent threat is murder, period. Read the description of the facility that Mousaoui is going to housed and tell me that a quick death is preferable to him rotting for the remainder of his natural life.

The fact of the matter is that Mousaoui wants to become a martyr, which would elevate him from his status as a bungling, deluded, screw-up. Martyrdom is a powerful religious symbol (just look the one you claim to follow), and should be denied Mousaoui. Let the screwup rot in the shadows, forgotten like he deserves to be. Make him a martyr and he may actually pose a threat. Leave him to rot and he remains a nothing.

And, using your attempt at a reply, if your faith tells you that a terminally ill person will go to Heaven, would that justify you killing them? What if they asked you to kill them? By your logic (I think he deserves to go to Hell, he’ll go there when he dies, so we should kill him), such a killing would be justified.

So do you apply your own arguments consistently or not?

“This is the bloodlust I was talking about. It’s amazing – so many of them do claim to be Christians.”

“The Passion of the Christ” is arguably the goriest big-name film ever produced, and U.S. Christians turned out to view it in insane numbers. Every time some ersatz Jesus follower starts crowing about how Christianty is unlike Islam in that Christians don’t blow things up, remind them of 1) the Crusades, 2) the Inquisition(s), 3) abortion-doctor murders, and 4) the number of Christians who applauded the murder of Matthew Shepard. Of course, people like Fred Phelps of godhatesfags.com fame are only doing as the Bible commands when calling for homosexuals to be put to death. Just imagine what would happen if men like Pat Robertson achieved untrammeled political power – the U.S. would be virtually indistinguishable from Arab nations in terms of its policy toward unbelievers.

That mouth-breathers like Kender, Jay and Justin are incapable of going more than three or four posts or comments without talking about offing someone stands as further testimony to the apocalyptic world view of these deluded, lowbrow liars.

“Betters,” indeed.

“being a Christian, I do believe in justice.”

That’s funny. I assume you mean that being a Christian, you believe in Biblical justice, which bears little relationship to the justice system in the America you purport to love. Justice as it applies here in the 21st-century Western world isn’t even in the Christian lexicon.

‘If we kill Moussaoui he’s in Hell for an extra few years, which is exactly what I want.”

Huh. If people supposedly suffer in the Christian fantasyland called “Hell” for all eternity, how does the concept of “a few extra years” even apply? What’s infinity plus fifty, smart guy?