“I KNOW YOU ARE BUT WHAT AM I?”

Sadly, it surprises no one that you choose to pretend that no response was even made. It’s that intellectual cowardice of yours, raiding its ugly but recognizable head once again.

LIAR, LIAR, PANTS ON FIRE!

Now I’m going to tell my mommy that you’re a mean person.

Thanks for not reading a word I typed. But hey, it gives my fingers good exercise!

So you’re admitting that YOU are afraid to answer my questions!

No. You have again chosen to lie about what someone else wrote. I said that I ignored your questions because their sole purpose was to derail the thread.

However, you are now, apparently, willing to discuss your views in a serious manner. That represents progress. Bravo.

You are the only one who has mentioned “according to US law,” as if nothing else can ever be done ever, by anyone.

I was inquiring whether you could provide a legal means by which “Islam in America should be declared… a treasonous organization”. That was your initial demand. You can claim that it’s “treasonous” all you want… but frankly, the mewlings of a single blogger of uncertain reliability are worthless. If the declaration is to have any practical effect, it had better have some grounding in law. Where is that law, Ogre?

You don’t know. You don’t want to talk about it, because to do so would further expose your ignorance. Run away.

I never once proposed doing anything to any individuals, much less rounding them up as you have implied.

I made no claim that you yourself had suggested rounding anyone up. I did challenge you to discuss the practical consequences of your proposal, one of which could be the mass detention of American Muslims. You turned tail and ran from that challenge.

I simply said, with accuracy, that the islam religion IS dangerous.

Victory by proclamation. Very impressive. Worthless, but impressive.

Here’s the reality, Ogre: Some — in some parts of the world, many—adherents of Islam hate the US with a white-hot passion, and would like nothing more than to see this country destroyed. Notice that I said “adherents of Islam”. A religion, in the abstract, is impotent. How many Zoroastrians, for instance, are around to stir up trouble today? How many followers of Moloch? Religions by themselves do nothing. People acting on many motivations — some religious, some not — are capable of great good, or great evil.

It IS anti-American, whether you want to admit it or not. Of course there are exceptions, just like there are members of the group of people who are pedophiles, buy in this case it’s a vast majority—again, whether you want to admit it or not.

I’ll admit it when there is evidence to support your claim. How many Muslims in the US? How many can be shown to be engaged in activities you consider “dangerous”? Where is your data coming from? Do you have any data?

The religion should not be permitted in this country.

You’re welcome to your opinion, Ogre. The law of this land says different. You want a religion banned? Have fun getting the First Amendment overturned.

I am not allowed to practice my religion if my religion includes sacrificing live animals in the middle of the road, am I?

Bzzzzt. Wrong. You’re not allowed to sacrifice the live animals in the middle of the road. But your religion wouldn’t be banned. I’m not aware of any case in which any religion has been officially banned. If you do know of such a case, provide a citation.

I’m saying that the Islam religion IS dangerous. They SHOULD be watched. Members of that group SHOULD be carefully watched, and yes, profiled, because THEIR GROUP is predisposed to violence and has a stated, written goal of the overthrow of the US Government.

So… we can tar an entire religion and all its adherents with the brush of “anti-American” and “dangerous” and “treasonous” — which will no doubt make us feel like Proud Fearless Upstanding Red-Blooded Americans. However, if we base our intelligence operations on the premise that every Muslim is a potential terrorist, we waste massive amounts of manpower and resources, alienate large numbers of American citizens who have committed no crimes and have no plans to do so, cause yet another fracture in American society, and risk missing the real terrorists because we were too busy poring through tens of millions of library records.

What are the practical consequences of watching every Muslim in America? How many law enforcement personnel will be needed to do that? How will all that data be analyzed in a timely fashion, especially when the government doesn’t have the resources now to analyze the flood of information from current surveillance activities?

We can do it your way, and see millions of dollars and manhours go to waste. Or, we can target the individuals who are plotting and carrying out terrorist attacks both domestically and abroad. Our intelligence apparatus, I am convinced, is sophisticated enough to find those individuals, but it is finite in its scope and capabilities. We need to be spying on those people who intend to harm us. Why waste our resources anywhere else?

Feel free to reply and try and convince me that Islam isn’t a dangerous religion.

I am under no illusions that I can convince you of anything, Ogre. Religious hatred is a powerful force in the human psyche, and you’re far too enamored of your hatred of Muslims to be talked out of it. The best I can do is point out that many of your arguments lack of factual support or are based on logical fallacies.

If the people who practiced the religion of Islam do NOT agree with their leaders, they should leave the religion—it really is that simple.

Do you take advice regarding your religious life from members of other religions? No? Then stop being silly. Muslims aren’t going to leave their faith because a non-Muslim accuses them of being terrorists. ESPECIALLY not because a non-Muslim accuses them of being terrorists.

By continuing their support of the religion, they ARE supporting their leaders, whether they want to or not.

If you want to delude yourself with the belief that every single Muslim is a follower of whatever fire-breathing imam you most recently heard of, I doubt seriously that anything I say is going to penetrate your self-enforced ignorance.

Okay, since you have provided us with hours and hours of entertainment (I don’t know when I’ve laughed so hard), I will endeavor to explain, knowing that your mind is already made up and that you are predisposed to hatred towards me for some strange reason, and with a very, very slim likelihood of getting you to understand.

You are the only one who has mentioned “according to US law,” as if nothing else can ever be done ever, by anyone. I never once proposed doing anything to any individuals, much less rounding them up as you have implied. In case you missed that sentence—I never proposed ANYTHING to any INDIVIDUALS at all—no arrests, no confiscation of property, nothing.

I simply said, with accuracy, that the islam religion IS dangerous. It IS anti-American, whether you want to admit it or not. Of course there are exceptions, just like there are members of the group of people who are pedophiles, buy in this case it’s a vast majority—again, whether you want to admit it or not.

The religion should not be permitted in this country. I am not allowed to practice my religion if my religion includes sacrificing live animals in the middle of the road, am I? No, that’s not freedom of religion.

If I organize a militia with it’s stated, printed goals of the overthrow of the US Government, am I allowed to do so? No, the FBI would come and lock me away and throw away the key. But wait, I haven’t done anything wrong, I just joined a group! That doesn’t matter to the FBI—in some cases, just being a member of a group is enough to be watched, or even arrested and tried on conspiracy.

I’m saying that the Islam religion IS dangerous. They SHOULD be watched. Members of that group SHOULD be carefully watched, and yes, profiled, because THEIR GROUP is predisposed to violence and has a stated, written goal of the overthrow of the US Government.

Why is it that they are allowed to peacefully assemble under the freedom of religion, when they have the exact same goals as militia groups who want to overthrow the government? Is it because they have a better PR machine? Is it because they’re anti-Christian?

I don’t know—but the religion IS dangerous. That’s a fact, whether you like it, or even admit it.

Feel free to reply and try and convince me that Islam isn’t a dangerous religion. Of course, you’re trying to overcome literally centuries of actual facts that will show that you are wrong. Feel free to make the comparison to Christianity—but be sure to include official positions made by the Pope and written that encourage violence upon anyone in the last 50 years.

Go ahead and find one or two people who committed crimes that were Christian in the last 50 years. And then try and get me to forget the hundreds of people killed by Islamists in the last couple.

Convince me by showing me the hundreds of thousands of members of the religion that are peacefully protesting the violence committed by other members of their religion because of a damn cartoon. And feel free to use the vast, numerous condemnations by everyone and their brother of people like Jerry Falwell when he SAYS something bad (without burning down any buildings or cars). Silence IS acceptance.

If the people who practiced the religion of Islam do NOT agree with their leaders, they should leave the religion—it really is that simple. By continuing their support of the religion, they ARE supporting their leaders, whether they want to or not.

You’re asking your OWN questions, meatbrain, that’s my entire point.

And my entire point is that these are questions you are afraid to answer. You just ran away from them again.

You can continue to post your obvious lies. It damages your credibility, and accomplishes nothing else.

In your post, Meathead, you clearly have declared that martial law should be instigated in zoos across the country, despite the number of giraffes in captivity. Why won’t you answer the question? Why won’t you face the FACT that an armed banana is not capable of containing the coming giraffe menace?

Now you either answer my question or you run and hide under your rock. If you don’t provide the answer, as I have determined it to be, then you are illustrating the fact that you are incapable of intellectual discussion and are running and hiding like the traitorous muslim lefty that you are.

materhead, how does one fight the war on terrorism?

These are the outstanding questions at this point:

• How is an organization “declared treasonous” under US law?
• How will branding all American Muslims as traitors in any way assist in the fight against terrorism?

You’ve got two choices, Ogre: continue to demonstrate your intellectual cowardice, or stop evading and discuss your own proposal honestly.

Choose.

I drink GREEN Kool Aid.
You drink PINK Kool Aid.

Meathead drinks….Herbal enriched, organic all natural People’s Choice Kool Aid…endorsed by the DNC.

LOL

Oh wait, upon re-reading of your comment, I realize that you have once again regressed into completely determining my thoughts, ideas, and motivations. Damn. This might take 4 or 5 hundred comments, if at all, for you to understand that you are not the sole determiner of all that is truth and real.

Tell me, please, in your world, is there such thing as gravity? Inquiring minds want to know. No, really. Are discussions of gravity allowed? Or is that non-factual? Are there any facts that exist outside your head? Is it possible for anyone to know any facts without you telling them what are facts?

Why do you keep running away from my questions? I’ll ask again, because you continue to run and hide:

Why are you so opposed to anyone saying “My ultimate goal is the elimination of the ***** as the most dominant organized criminal enterprise in the United States,” Meatbrain?

Or, um, what it was.

Perhaps even what it might be.

Y’know, I think I’d like a pink moose that likes to eat orange grass and wear turquoise frills. I think that would make me happy.

Or maybe not. Idon’t know, but meatball might.