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	<title>Comments on: Lying by omission</title>
	<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2006/02/25/lying-by-omission/</link>
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		<title>by: meatbrain</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2006/02/25/lying-by-omission/#comment-292</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2006 03:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>bq. ...if you do not answer, then I will have to provide an answer for you...

What you mean, of course, is that you will post another lie.

I am quite aware of what you will do. You really don't know any other way to construct an 'argument'.</description>
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<p>...if you do not answer, then I will have to provide an answer for you&#8230;</p>
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<p>What you mean, of course, is that you will post another lie.</p>
<p>I am quite aware of what you will do. You really don&#8217;t know any other way to construct an &#8216;argument&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>by: Ogre</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2006/02/25/lying-by-omission/#comment-207</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thinkingmeat.net/2006/02/25/lying-by-omission/#comment-207</guid>
					<description>And yet you continue to refuse to answer my question.  I will ask again, and if you do not answer, then I will have to provide an answer for you:

When did you stop beating your wife?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And yet you continue to refuse to answer my question.  I will ask again, and if you do not answer, then I will have to provide an answer for you:</p>
<p>When did you stop beating your wife?</p>
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		<title>by: meatbrain</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2006/02/25/lying-by-omission/#comment-204</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thinkingmeat.net/2006/02/25/lying-by-omission/#comment-204</guid>
					<description>It has been clearly demonstrated that you chose to lie when you wrote your original post, Ogre. You altered the quote from the editorial. There is no arguing that point.

There is nothing insane about asking you why you made the choice to lie. You can answer or not, as you choose. Either way, we learn something about you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has been clearly demonstrated that you chose to lie when you wrote your original post, Ogre. You altered the quote from the editorial. There is no arguing that point.</p>
<p>There is nothing insane about asking you why you made the choice to lie. You can answer or not, as you choose. Either way, we learn something about you.</p>
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		<title>by: Ogre</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2006/02/25/lying-by-omission/#comment-201</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thinkingmeat.net/2006/02/25/lying-by-omission/#comment-201</guid>
					<description>I'll ask again:

When did you stop beating your wife?

Just because you ask the same, utterly insane question that has nothing to do with anything that I'm remotely interested in, why would you assume I would answer it?  Perhaps for the same reason that you're refusing to answer my question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll ask again:</p>
<p>When did you stop beating your wife?</p>
<p>Just because you ask the same, utterly insane question that has nothing to do with anything that I&#8217;m remotely interested in, why would you assume I would answer it?  Perhaps for the same reason that you&#8217;re refusing to answer my question.</p>
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		<title>by: meatbrain</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2006/02/25/lying-by-omission/#comment-200</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thinkingmeat.net/2006/02/25/lying-by-omission/#comment-200</guid>
					<description>Fourth time asked:

If your arguments are so flimsy that you have to support them with blatant lies, why should you be believed about anything?

You are being used here for exactly one purpose, Ogre: to demonstrate that it is not possible to conduct a reasoned, rational debate with those whose _first_ choice is to lie about what others have said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fourth time asked:</p>
<p>If your arguments are so flimsy that you have to support them with blatant lies, why should you be believed about anything?</p>
<p>You are being used here for exactly one purpose, Ogre: to demonstrate that it is not possible to conduct a reasoned, rational debate with those whose <em>first</em> choice is to lie about what others have said.</p>
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		<title>by: Ogre</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2006/02/25/lying-by-omission/#comment-198</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thinkingmeat.net/2006/02/25/lying-by-omission/#comment-198</guid>
					<description>When did you stop beating your wife?</description>
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		<title>by: meatbrain</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2006/02/25/lying-by-omission/#comment-166</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thinkingmeat.net/2006/02/25/lying-by-omission/#comment-166</guid>
					<description>bq. I am intrigued by your uncanny ability to look into my mind and determine what thoughts my brain has despite my explicitly telling you differently.

I don't have to look into your mind to know you are lying, Ogre.

I have only to compare what you wrote to what the editorial really said.

Third time asked, and I'll bet you'll run away from the question a third time, too: If your arguments are so flimsy that you have to support them with blatant lies, why should you be believed about anything?</description>
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<p>I am intrigued by your uncanny ability to look into my mind and determine what thoughts my brain has despite my explicitly telling you differently.</p>
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<p>I don&#8217;t have to look into your mind to know you are lying, Ogre.</p>
<p>I have only to compare what you wrote to what the editorial really said.</p>
<p>Third time asked, and I&#8217;ll bet you&#8217;ll run away from the question a third time, too: If your arguments are so flimsy that you have to support them with blatant lies, why should you be believed about anything?</p>
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		<title>by: Ogre</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2006/02/25/lying-by-omission/#comment-164</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thinkingmeat.net/2006/02/25/lying-by-omission/#comment-164</guid>
					<description>I am intrigued by your uncanny ability to look into my mind and determine what thoughts my brain has despite my explicitly telling you differently.  Apparently I am utterly incapable of even knowing what my own thoughts are, much less putting those thoughts into words!  Very impressive.

Now can you please tell me next week's lottery numbers -- but then you'd also need to purchase the lottery tickets for me, because according to you, I would not be able to choose the numbers that were even in my mind.

Please, do tell me what other thoughts and actions are coming from my mind that I don't even know about!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am intrigued by your uncanny ability to look into my mind and determine what thoughts my brain has despite my explicitly telling you differently.  Apparently I am utterly incapable of even knowing what my own thoughts are, much less putting those thoughts into words!  Very impressive.</p>
<p>Now can you please tell me next week&#8217;s lottery numbers&#8212;but then you&#8217;d also need to purchase the lottery tickets for me, because according to you, I would not be able to choose the numbers that were even in my mind.</p>
<p>Please, do tell me what other thoughts and actions are coming from my mind that I don&#8217;t even know about!</p>
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		<title>by: meatbrain</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2006/02/25/lying-by-omission/#comment-161</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thinkingmeat.net/2006/02/25/lying-by-omission/#comment-161</guid>
					<description>Disingenousness won't get you off the hook, Ogre.

You truncated the quote because quoting the entire sentence would have thrown doubt on your claim that the editorial favored having the government "[force] manufacturers to make less-efficient and more expensive cars". You couldn't afford to let the concepts of lowered pollutant emissions and fuel efficiency become linked in your reader's mind. Hence, the lie by omission.

The question remains: If your arguments are so flimsy that you have to support them with blatant lies, why should you be believed about *anything*?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disingenousness won&#8217;t get you off the hook, Ogre.</p>
<p>You truncated the quote because quoting the entire sentence would have thrown doubt on your claim that the editorial favored having the government &#8221;[force] manufacturers to make less-efficient and more expensive cars&#8221;. You couldn&#8217;t afford to let the concepts of lowered pollutant emissions and fuel efficiency become linked in your reader&#8217;s mind. Hence, the lie by omission.</p>
<p>The question remains: If your arguments are so flimsy that you have to support them with blatant lies, why should you be believed about <strong>anything</strong>?</p>
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		<title>by: Ogre</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2006/02/25/lying-by-omission/#comment-157</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 19:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thinkingmeat.net/2006/02/25/lying-by-omission/#comment-157</guid>
					<description>Well, I didn't report on the hair color of the editor who wrote the opinion, too, so I guess that make me a liar as well, as you determine the word "liar."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I didn&#8217;t report on the hair color of the editor who wrote the opinion, too, so I guess that make me a liar as well, as you determine the word &#8220;liar.&#8221; </p>
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		<title>by: meatbrain</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2006/02/25/lying-by-omission/#comment-156</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 13:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thinkingmeat.net/2006/02/25/lying-by-omission/#comment-156</guid>
					<description>bq. That's why it wasn't quoted—it wasn't relavent at all!

False. Your excuse is a transparent sham. You yourself made efficiency relevant to the discussion:

bq. So in the twisted world of this group of socialists, when government requires and forces manufacturers to make *less-efficient* and more expensive cars, the consumer has more choices.

*You* miss the point entirely, Ogre. You lied about what the editorial said because it did not fit your predetermined conclusion that fuel-efficient cars are some sort of "socialist" plot.

If your arguments are so flimsy that you have to support them with blatant lies, why should you be believed about *anything*?</description>
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<p>That&#8217;s why it wasn&#8217;t quoted—it wasn&#8217;t relavent at all!</p>
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<p>False. Your excuse is a transparent sham. You yourself made efficiency relevant to the discussion:</p>
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<p>So in the twisted world of this group of socialists, when government requires and forces manufacturers to make <strong>less-efficient</strong> and more expensive cars, the consumer has more choices.</p>
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<p><strong>You</strong> miss the point entirely, Ogre. You lied about what the editorial said because it did not fit your predetermined conclusion that fuel-efficient cars are some sort of &#8220;socialist&#8221; plot.</p>
<p>If your arguments are so flimsy that you have to support them with blatant lies, why should you be believed about <strong>anything</strong>?</p>
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		<title>by: Ogre</title>
		<link>http://thinkingmeat.net/2006/02/25/lying-by-omission/#comment-155</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thinkingmeat.net/2006/02/25/lying-by-omission/#comment-155</guid>
					<description>Wow.  You REALLY missed the point.  The point of the post was to note that the government wants to force bad "choices" on people.  It had nothing to do with emissions or fuel efficieny, or any comparison or relation between the two!  That's why it wasn't quoted -- it wasn't relavent at all!

I don't care one bit about how fuel efficient cars are, nor if more fuel efficient cars have more or less emissions -- makes no difference to me.  I just want to have options without the government forcing me to spend more money.

And I was pointing out the morons who claim that by government reducing the options for consumers that it somehow gives the consumer MORE choices!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  You REALLY missed the point.  The point of the post was to note that the government wants to force bad &#8220;choices&#8221; on people.  It had nothing to do with emissions or fuel efficieny, or any comparison or relation between the two!  That&#8217;s why it wasn&#8217;t quoted&#8212;it wasn&#8217;t relavent at all!</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t care one bit about how fuel efficient cars are, nor if more fuel efficient cars have more or less emissions&#8212;makes no difference to me.  I just want to have options without the government forcing me to spend more money.</p>
<p>And I was pointing out the morons who claim that by government reducing the options for consumers that it somehow gives the consumer MORE choices!</p>
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